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JASpice · #**136** (**permalink**) 10-17-2009, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by bountyx

It would appear that Rastafarianism has different sects which have some differences in their philosophies and practices. Some are more liberal than others. Maybe for the more liberal sects, it is acceptable that non-blacks can be Rasta. If that is the case, and non-blacks become part of that sect, aren't they then Rasta too?

What is it that makes one a true Rastafarian?

Does one have to be black to believe in and advocate for reparations and repatriation for black people to Africa?

I am sooo in-line with this and would love to hear others answers to it.

jtreddy · #**137** (**permalink**) 10-17-2009, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by JASpice

Originally Posted by bountyx

It would appear that Rastafarianism has different sects which have some differences in their philosophies and practices. Some are more liberal than others. Maybe for the more liberal sects, it is acceptable that non-blacks can be Rasta. If that is the case, and non-blacks become part of that sect, aren't they then Rasta too?

What is it that makes one a true Rastafarian?

Does one have to be black to believe in and advocate for reparations and repatriation for black people to Africa?

I am sooo in-line with this and would love to hear others answers to it.

Anyone can believe and advocate for reparations and repatriation for black people to Africa.The real question is ,should everyone be entitled to reparations and repatriation...the answer is a RESOUNDING NO..... For the simple fact that blacks were the only people forcibly taken from Africa, to the west to slave on plantations for hundreds of years under the most inhumane conditions one can imagine,.The atrocities committed against Africans brought to the west are to numerous to even begin to comprehend

Hotteach · #**138** (**permalink**) 10-17-2009, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by jtreddy

Anyone can believe and advocate for reparations and repatriation for black people to Africa.The real question is ,should everyone be entitled to reparations and repatriation...the answer is a RESOUNDING NO..... For the simple fact that blacks were the only people forcibly taken from Africa, to the west to slave on plantations for hundreds of years under the most inhumane conditions one can imagine,.The atrocities committed against Africans brought to the west are to numerous to even begin to comprehend

This might be slightly off topic yet not......I was down south recently and I was driving trough some old southern neighborhoods.........Big giant mansion after big giant mansion.....I could not help think how many of those sickeningly rich families were living off wealth built up from slavery.....passed down through the family.....while on the other side of town is the ghetto......

JASpice · #**139** (**permalink**) 10-17-2009, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by jtreddy

Anyone can believe and advocate for reparations and repatriation for black people to Africa.The real question is ,should everyone be entitled to reparations and repatriation...the answer is a RESOUNDING NO..... For the simple fact that blacks were the only people forcibly taken from Africa, to the west to slave on plantations for hundreds of years under the most inhumane conditions one can imagine,.The atrocities committed against Africans brought to the west are to numerous to even begin to comprehend

Hmmmmmm........I don't believe there was any claim stating that blacks shouldn't receive reparations. But to imply that this is the only inhumane act to have happened and no other should ever receive reparations is crazy.

Once again... what makes the Atlantic Slavery Trade worse then the Mediteranian Slave Trade?? Is it because it wasn't as recent?? Is it because it's been more or less forgotten?? Is it because they weren't all black?

While the African slaves were forced to slave on plantations under such grueling conditions, the European Christian slaves were force to slave just as hard and as lethally — in quarries, heavy construction, and above all used to row the large ships of the time.

Forget the gruelling hard slavery acts of labor... what about the White Jews and the prison camps.... how about them? The ones that watched their love ones walk into the chambers never to come back.... Do they deserve reparations??? Or is it because they aren't the right color or possibly the wrong relegion?

My point is that through out time there have been numurous horrific situations that has effected ALL races. It's the narrowed mine thinking to believe otherwise that prevents peace throughout.

If one wants to have a group that helps another out.... great! But if one creates a racial divide within a group putting themselves higher or claiming that they deserve something more then another.. is IMO wrong!

Juss let peeps be who they want to be and help who they want .... If it's in good intent, then there is nothing wrong about it.

JASpice · #**140** (**permalink**) 10-17-2009, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Hotteach

This might be slightly off topic yet not......I was down south recently and I was driving trough some old southern neighborhoods.........Big giant mansion after big giant mansion.....I could not help think how many of those sickeningly rich families were living off wealth built up from slavery.....passed down through the family.....while on the other side of town is the ghetto......

LOL@slightly off topic!

You know.... the first time I visited Atlanta I had that same creepy feeling. As we drove through I couldn't help but to sit there and imagine how it must've been.

jtreddy · #**141** (**permalink**) 10-17-2009, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by JASpice

Hmmmmmm........I don't believe there was any claim stating that blacks shouldn't receive reparations. .

Let me refresh your memory and your understanding of rastafri.

SIX MEMBERS of the Rasta-farian community are expected to be among the guests at Kings House today where a cultural gala in honour of Queen Elizabeth II will be held.
The Rastafarians, from the Nyahbinghi and Bobo Ashanti houses, are reported to have acquired the invitations through the mediation of Howard Hamilton, the Public Defender.
The main objective of the Rastafarians' presence at Kings House is to observe the presentation of a letter outlining certain demands to the Queen. They are demanding reparations for slavery from Great Britain and also monetary assistance towards the repatriation to Africa.
"Six representatives will be at the gala, they will be met at the gate and given further instructions. I will also make the presentation of their letter to the Queen's representative, who will be indicated to me tomorrow," said Mr. Hamilton.
Ras Irie Irons an elder of the Nyahbinghi House was, however, disappointed with the restrictions imposed as a condition of the visit.
"There are some terrible restrictions. We can't carry any emblems or posters and only six of us can go. But the most important thing is that the letter gets to her," Ras Irons said.
He said he has selected representatives from three Rastafarian Houses to attend the event.
"I and two other brothers from the Nyahbinghi, two others from the Bobo Ashanti and two more from another house will be going," Ras Irons said.
This is not the first time that members of the Rastafarian community have been invited to a Royal event. In 1994, noted Rastafarian leader, Samuel Clayton, was invited to a reception at Kings House. According to Mr. Clayton, the Queen 'came over' and struck up a conversation with him.
The letter to be presented today briefly states that Africans were forcibly removed from their homeland and demands that return to Africa should be facilitated monetarily and diplomatically.
Mr. Hamilton reiterated that those who are sceptical of the Rastafarians' request, "may be surprised," by the Queen's response. He pointed out that that other nations have won compensation for atrocities committed against them.

Jamaica Gleaner - Rastas to visit The Queen - Tuesday | February 19, 2002

ITS A SAT HAVE TO RUN ,WILL CONTINUE THIS DEBATE ANOTHER TIME

JASpice · #**142** (**permalink**) 10-18-2009, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by jtreddy

Let me refresh your memory and your understanding of rastafri.

SIX MEMBERS of the Rasta-farian community are expected to be among the guests at Kings House today where a cultural gala in honour of Queen Elizabeth II will be held.
The Rastafarians, from the Nyahbinghi and Bobo Ashanti houses, are reported to have acquired the invitations through the mediation of Howard Hamilton, the Public Defender.
The main objective of the Rastafarians' presence at Kings House is to observe the presentation of a letter outlining certain demands to the Queen. They are demanding reparations for slavery from Great Britain and also monetary assistance towards the repatriation to Africa.
"Six representatives will be at the gala, they will be met at the gate and given further instructions. I will also make the presentation of their letter to the Queen's representative, who will be indicated to me tomorrow," said Mr. Hamilton.
Ras Irie Irons an elder of the Nyahbinghi House was, however, disappointed with the restrictions imposed as a condition of the visit.
"There are some terrible restrictions. We can't carry any emblems or posters and only six of us can go. But the most important thing is that the letter gets to her," Ras Irons said.
He said he has selected representatives from three Rastafarian Houses to attend the event.
"I and two other brothers from the Nyahbinghi, two others from the Bobo Ashanti and two more from another house will be going," Ras Irons said.
This is not the first time that members of the Rastafarian community have been invited to a Royal event. In 1994, noted Rastafarian leader, Samuel Clayton, was invited to a reception at Kings House. According to Mr. Clayton, the Queen 'came over' and struck up a conversation with him.
The letter to be presented today briefly states that Africans were forcibly removed from their homeland and demands that return to Africa should be facilitated monetarily and diplomatically.
Mr. Hamilton reiterated that those who are sceptical of the Rastafarians' request, "may be surprised," by the Queen's response. He pointed out that that other nations have won compensation for atrocities committed against them.

Jamaica Gleaner - Rastas to visit The Queen - Tuesday | February 19, 2002

ITS A SAT HAVE TO RUN ,WILL CONTINUE THIS DEBATE ANOTHER TIME

LOL ..... The claim I was speaking of is from myself or others like Bounty. So far I have not seen anyone on this forum make the "CLAIM" that there should be no reparations.

You are completely missing the point of all that I have been saying.

Answer this...

Do you think there is anything wrong with a white person wanting to support and advocate for reparations for Africans that were effected by the Atlantic Slave Trade??

Do you think there is anything wrong with other victims of such horrific crimes such the jews from concentration camps, Muslim slavery, etc... to want reparations ?

Speaking of slavery in general... Do you realize that slavery still exists in Africa today ... at this very moment?? How about the estimated 300,000 women and children involved in the sex trade throughout Southeast Asia.... right this very moment in time??

I believe ALL of these victims deserve some sort of Reparation... but by who and how is the question?!?! Realistically... I can't ever see it happening. At least not until Judgement day comes.

1stParadigm · #**143** (**permalink**) 11-05-2009, 05:50 PM

Another hmmmmmmmmmm moment!

Lady Rasta · #**144** (**permalink**) 11-05-2009, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by JASpice

LOL ..... The claim I was speaking of is from myself or others like Bounty. So far I have not seen anyone on this forum make the "CLAIM" that there should be no reparations.

You are completely missing the point of all that I have been saying.

Answer this...

Do you think there is anything wrong with a white person wanting to support and advocate for reparations for Africans that were effected by the Atlantic Slave Trade??

Do you think there is anything wrong with other victims of such horrific crimes such the jews from concentration camps, Muslim slavery, etc... to want reparations ?

Speaking of slavery in general... Do you realize that slavery still exists in Africa today ... at this very moment?? How about the estimated 300,000 women and children involved in the sex trade throughout Southeast Asia.... right this very moment in time??

I believe ALL of these victims deserve some sort of Reparation... but by who and how is the question?!?! Realistically... I can't ever see it happening. At least not until Judgement day comes.

did bounty really tak a side on this? OR did he actually just pose questions and play devils advocate?

did he say outright that a white man can be rasta? or did he say..soem peeps belive this and others belive that?

Lady Rasta · #**145** (**permalink**) 11-05-2009, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by JASpice

LOL ..... The claim I was speaking of is from myself or others like Bounty. So far I have not seen anyone on this forum make the "CLAIM" that there should be no reparations.

You are completely missing the point of all that I have been saying.

Answer this...

Do you think there is anything wrong with a white person wanting to support and advocate for reparations for Africans that were effected by the Atlantic Slave Trade??

Do you think there is anything wrong with other victims of such horrific crimes such the jews from concentration camps, Muslim slavery, etc... to want reparations ?

Speaking of slavery in general... Do you realize that slavery still exists in Africa today ... at this very moment?? How about the estimated 300,000 women and children involved in the sex trade throughout Southeast Asia.... right this very moment in time??

I believe ALL of these victims deserve some sort of Reparation... but by who and how is the question?!?! Realistically... I can't ever see it happening. At least not until Judgement day comes.

YES!! it seems like white ppl just want to be a part of EVERYTHING and act like spoiled children when "others" dont want to play

everything is SIMPLY NOT for everyone!

i think thats the real issue...just want something u cant have! exclusion HURTS doesnt it?

anyway, i dont condone exclusion or racism on ANY LEVEL! but it exists in our world!

I REPEAT!! EVERTYING IS JUST NOT FOR EVERYBODY!!!!!!!!!

PERIOD!!

1stParadigm · #**146** (**permalink**) 11-05-2009, 06:03 PM

Lady Rasta, you know when you have had one of those testing days that result in sheer frustration and you lack diplomacy?.....well thats how I feel and when I read the remainder of this thread I just thought 1stP shut up, because if I responded with what is in my head, I would be asking some serious questions that some may percieve as an "attack" soooooooooo I am saving it for a day when I can be diplomatiiiiiiiicccccccccc!

Ecotours · #**147** (**permalink**) 11-05-2009, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Lady Rasta

YES!! it seems like white ppl just want to be a part of EVERYTHING and act like spoiled children when "others" dont want to play

everything is SIMPLY NOT for everyone!

i think thats the real issue...just want something u cant have! exclusion HURTS doesnt it?

anyway, i dont condone exclusion or racism on ANY LEVEL! but it exists in our world!

I REPEAT!! EVERTYING IS JUST NOT FOR EVERYBODY!!!!!!!!!

PERIOD!!

Interesting

Alex4Ja · #**148** (**permalink**) 11-06-2009, 12:28 AM

Very Sensational, this thread. But very interesting.

Lady Rasta · #**149** (**permalink**) 11-06-2009, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Ecotours

Interesting

interesting why? cuz of a screen name?

things are the way they are...doesnt mean i agree with it! and it doesnt mean that i condone it

u sir are the funny one

i have stated MANY times that it (the exclusion part) is one of the reasons I DO NOT CLAIM NOR DO I PRACTICE RASTA!!!!!

Lady Rasta · #**150** (**permalink**) 11-06-2009, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by 1stParadigm

Lady Rasta, you know when you have had one of those testing days that result in sheer frustration and you lack diplomacy?.....well thats how I feel and when I read the remainder of this thread I just thought 1stP shut up, because if I responded with what is in my head, I would be asking some serious questions that some may percieve as an "attack" soooooooooo I am saving it for a day when I can be diplomatiiiiiiiicccccccccc!

u cant be diplomatic with people that only want to accept what they WANT!! and not what IS!

im done with this thread...let them be fools