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The Pastor and his flock

A particular Pastor I know, a very devout and inspirational man of God has a daughter who just had her second divorce and a son who smokes like a chimney and has 3 kids by 2 different woman, none of which is his wife.


Should this be a reflection on his credibility as a Pastor and his ability to lead his flock?

Does this mean that he was a bad father?

Do you think that he (still) has a responsibility to his adult children to get them in order>?
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A particular Pastor I know, a very devout and inspirational man of God has a daughter who just had her second divorce and a son who smokes like a chimney and has 3 kids by 2 different woman, none of which is his wife.


Should this be a reflection on his credibility as a Pastor and his ability to lead his flock?

Does this mean that he was a bad father?

Do you think that he (still) has a responsibility to his adult children to get them in order>?
Answer to all questions:

If your child did that would it be a reflection of YOUR parenting?
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Answer to all questions:

If your child did that would it be a reflection of YOUR parenting?
Thats not an answer.
And you are obviously asking the same question in a rounabout way.

But if I may...many aspects of people's behavior ARE a reflection on their parents and what they impart to them. Other aspects aren't.

In the case I described, a preacher is considered the head of a congrgation, geared towars upholding certain moral principleas and imparting them not ONLY to his own family but his congregation as well.
Such a questin as I posed is not as preposterous as your responded question implied it to be.

If you had a accountant whose house fell into foreclosure and his daughter is filing for bankruptcy would you feel confident using him to invest your hard earned savings?
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Well we all know my opinion on the subject. I completely disagree that child that goes bad is 100% the result of the parents behavior. That is simply wrong.

Anyways sometimes children go the opposite direction as a rebellious movement. A preacher's daughter? Its completely obvious she's trying not to live up to the image her father has created by being a pastor.
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Who made him a "man of God"? A piece of paper? I thought so.

That kind of man of God is worth about as much as the paper.

You don't sign up for the position. You work for it through understanding of the self. It blooms from within in proportion to the work you put into it.

It isn't the ability to navigate a holy book on the outside world. It's the ability to navigate the inner world.

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Well we all know my opinion on the subject. I completely disagree that child that goes bad is 100% the result of the parents behavior. That is simply wrong.

Anyways sometimes children go the opposite direction as a rebellious movement. A preacher's daughter? Its completely obvious she's trying not to live up to the image her father has created by being a pastor.
I think that statement is ludicrous (used that term twice in 24 hours) simply because nothing in this life is 100%. How can the behavior of any adult EVER be 100% someone else's fault; parent or no parent?
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Who made him a "man of God"? A piece of paper? I thought so.

That kind of man of God is worth about as much as the paper.

You don't sign up for the position. You work for it through understanding of the self. It blooms from within in proportion to the work you put into it.

It isn't the ability to navigate a holy book on the outside world. It's the ability to navigate the inner world.

It's about having the keys to the kingdom.




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Once again, we divert from the issue and focus on an element of the subject.
Whether or not he IS a man of God, he proclaims to be and is in a position ordained to lead others religiously. Whether he is "qualified" is neither here nor there. The question is...based on his "position" should the actions of his children be attributed to him in any way shape or form?
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I think that statement is ludicrous (used that term twice in 24 hours) simply because nothing in this life is 100%. How can the behavior of any adult EVER be 100% someone else's fault; parent or no parent?
That's what I said. It can't be blamed on the parent every time.
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That's what I said. It can't be blamed on the parent every time.
I think you are still missing my point...There can never be a situation where it can ever be blamed on someone else everytime, so that point is moot.
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I think you are still missing my point...There can never be a situation where it can ever be blamed on someone else everytime, so that point is moot.

I think you must be bored today and looking for an argument to keep you occupied......


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I think you must be bored today and looking for an argument to keep you occupied......


sorry.......
No...Stupid.
I should have known better.

I promise, it won't happen again.
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A particular Pastor I know, a very devout and inspirational man of God has a daughter who just had her second divorce and a son who smokes like a chimney and has 3 kids by 2 different woman, none of which is his wife.


Should this be a reflection on his credibility as a Pastor and his ability to lead his flock? It should not reflect his credibility as a Pastor, but unfortunately it may. But then again, if the congregation knows him, likes his preaching, and he does his best, then it may not have a bearing on him and his respect may overshadow his families ongoings.

Does this mean that he was a bad father? There would have to be more information for me to make a call as such. Did he run around on his wife? Has he been divorced? Does or did he smoke? What sort of rules did he have? Were they always church going kinda folks?? etc...

Even so.. I do believe he is responsible to some degree...juss not sure how much.



Do you think that he (still) has a responsibility to his adult children to get them in order>?
Yes I do.


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