great post Rev. it echoes my sentiments entirely but you articulate it much better than i could.

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If I am given a gift so magnificent that I become complete in expression, what would I ever have to vow. Doing any less than giving all that I am to such a beautiful and free expression, would be the utter destruction of everything I desire to be.

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What is there to deny but self?

i like you. do you only post in the religious threads?

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sometimes i have a hard time dealing with sexual lust...

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Thank you, yes, only in the religious section.... This is actually one of many forums..... I'm glad my words found you, this is why I am here!

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What is there to deny but self?

Are you married? Are you in love? Are you seeking love?

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What is there to deny but self?

no... no.. and maybe

sorry i wasn't more informative in my last post.. was a lil in a hurry.. we all have some sort of temptations at one point in life or another.. some jus deal with it a diff way...when lustful thoughts enter my mind.. i change my thought to a more positive and progressive thought... maybe i should've posted what i do when those thoughts enter my mind in my last post...

Bless!

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People face temptation of all kinds all the time - including lust. People who love their partners do face the temptation of having sexual thoughts for others. Love and commitment to your partner is what makes a person fight those temptations and not give in.

Humans throughout history have given God much reason to feel that we are idiots. We have perverted and corrupted what He has created, and we neglect those things that are good. Of course we need an instruction booklet! Despite our failings, He still loves us enough to want to guide us and give us the hope of salvation. Hence "the instruction booklet". What each of us need to discover for ourselves, is that God loves us, and the instructions He has given us are to help us get our lives on the right track so we can have some hope.

Ok. Let's break this down.

Lusting after another is an action (thought). It's not a tangible thing. What you probably mean is that the act of lusting is an indication that there is something lacking in that person. Self control is what would be lacking.

What do you mean by "the action of lust is a perfection"? That statement doesn't make sense. You're saying that lusting makes people understand that they are lacking in some way? It may be an indication that they are, but it doesn't necessary make them realize this.

What void are you talking about? You say love fills us up and overflows till we want nothing more yet you say lust is an attempt to fill "that" void. What void?


So the "authors" of the Christian religion understood that people get jealous when their partners lust after others and then created laws forbidding lust to control people.

lol

That's what you witnessed while you observed them in action eh?

God's laws were made to control. They were made to control the sinful urges and temptations which face mankind. They were made to liberate people from sin. Sin enslaves. Following God's law frees people from the bondage of sin. If you know you are going die when you take an addictive poison, and the law says not to take that poison, is the law bad for trying to control you? Or is the law good for trying to protect you from harming yourself?


If your woman wanted another, it's understandable that you'd not necessarily want to remain with her. Breaking up because of cheating is permitted under Christian doctrine. It is really the only grounds for divorce that Jesus said was ok (Matthew 5:32, NIV), even though the intent is for couples to work out their differences and forgive each other so that the relationship can continue.

What biblical instruction was foolish? Why is God a moron for providing us with guidance? Who says He didn't explain the truth about what love is? The bible is filled with examples and explanations of what true love is about. From the account of the Creation, to the Commandments, to the Crucifiction of Christ - it's all about love. You should read it sometime.

What flaws? You haven't really shown any. What does speaking against lust have to do with the subjugation of women? How does a person fighting lust further the cause of the subjugation of women? lol

Rev, marriages fail because people don't live up to the vows they take or the principles of the marriage institution. How on earth can the marriage ceremony or the promises be the cause of the failure of marriages. You then contradict yourself then when you say that the cause is that people are not seeking that which is true, but only going through the motions. You'd be closer to the truth with the latter statement. Marriages do fail because people enter them for the wrong reasons and have the wrong attitudes towards it.

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"Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake." - Matthew 5 v11 KJV

Very waggish indeed.

lol .

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"Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake." - Matthew 5 v11 KJV

Very waggish indeed.

I just had to address this right now, I will respond to everything else later.......

They do? And what would they tell their partner? "You know I love you hunny, and I wanted you to know that I did have thoughts of sticking it in the ass of that new girl in the office; but I fought the temptation and did not give in because I am committed to you!"
This sounds like a fantastic love, one that God would surely want us to experience. I would think that love is so pure we could share any and every thought we had with the other.
I guessed you missed the part when I wrote that love fulfills every desire. If every desire is fulfilled, at what point would we be thinking about sticking anything in anyone else's orifices? Perhaps I am not understanding what a sexual thought is?

The void I spoke about is where someone believes they love someone and can still have sexual thoughts for another.

Let us consider for a moment!
Foolish God= Loving and having sexual temptations to fight through, as well as having to hide such temptations because of the inherent nature of them.
Brilliant God= Being given a love so fulfilling, temptation becomes nothing more than ignorance in the light of such love.
The foolish God is the one who has to give rules, probably well..... because he's foolish.
The brilliant God doesn't need to give rules or guidelines because "he" created a love that is already perfect.

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What is there to deny but self?

Not necessarily as vulgarly as that, but essentially that's the message, yes. Everybody gets tempted with something. Being tempted, facing a choice, is not a sin. How you deal with it is the important part.

We are imperfect human beings. Not all our thoughts are fit to be shared. Some are best kept to ourselves, and shared only with God when we ask Him to help us overcome them.
Love will not prevent temptation from happening. Love will motivate you to fight temptation. Love will not prevent you from having certain urges. Love will help you to control them. It's not that you don't understand what a sexual thought is, it's that you may not understand what love really is and what it can and cannot do.

How is that a "void"? A void is "emptiness". Are you saying that when someone believes that they love someone else, yet they still have sexual thoughts for another person, that there is a void in their life?

You're saying that because we live in a world where despite the existence of love, there are temptations, some which are shameful, that God is foolish for allowing that? Well, that is all a consequence of God granting us the gift of free will. We can make choices. We can chose to resist temptation, or yield to it. There are consequences to our choices. God will rectify ills of the world in time. The alternative to allowing us free will, is to make us mindless robots.
Temptation itself is no indication of ignorance. Temptation simply is the choice to do something (wrong). The act of yielding to temptation may be considered an ignorant choice.

News flash: There'd be rules regardless. You seem to be implying that instead of giving us the ability to chose to follow rules or not, that God should have just programmed us all to follow the rules automatically - except you wouldn't call them rules, you'd just call it a "love already perfect".

If God were to have made us as mindless automatons, what would be the point? He could have done that, but to what end? Would you want to live a life like that?

The original topic was how to deal with lust. I don't want us to stray too far from that. I'm not quite sure what the main point is that you're trying to get across Rev. Are you saying that lust is not bad, or that there is not such thing as lust? What exactly is it you're trying to say? I fear the real point of what you are making at is at risk of being lost in the way you chose to articulate your points.

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"Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake." - Matthew 5 v11 KJV

Very waggish indeed.

If we are imperfect beings, what are we asking God to help us overcome? Our imperfection?
Are we striving towards something? Is it a little less imperfect but always imperfect?
Did God create us perfect or imperfect?

Is love perfect?
Did God desire us to find temptation within love, to fight it but never overcome it?

Conclusion, we are either created imperfect or love is imperfect!
If love is perfect, what prevents us from obtaining such perfection?

If a perfect love exists, does it still contain temptation?
Does God need to fight temptation?
Did God create us with the inability to love as "he" does?

I'm confused, and it's not my confusion!
That foolish God is coming out again

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What is there to deny but self?

Did God intend for us to realize a perfect love free from temptation?

If this was God's intent, why would "he" ask that we commit to anything less?

Logically speaking, if temptation is present......
A. The individual has not yet discovered within self what is necessary to give such a beautiful expression of love.
B. The union between the two does not fulfill every desire like a perfect love would.
C. Both A and B

Why would God have us vow to something less, becoming the enabler of such an incomplete expression of love?
Why wouldn't god instruct us not to commit, but to search for a love where temptation is of no longer any consequence?

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What is there to deny but self?

I stay out of the malls

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haha

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