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Old 07-16-2008, 06:09 PM
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I see nothing wrong with lust. It's a natural drive in humans to procreate with a healthy attractive mate in order to produce healthy attractive offspring. If the people who started Christianity 2008 years ago decided to say eating food was sinful we'd have a lot of people going to sermons trying to battle the urge to eat and thinking they're failures in life because they're always hungry. In this case we have people who are always horny running to an imaginary God wondering why lust and how to stop it. How ridiculous. Have sex, it's awesome. If there was a God he'd want us to have guilt free sex. It's so sad that religion bans sex but I think it came from kings in the past that wanted to keep all the healthy attractive females to themselves.

I was talking to a girl I dated a while ago about religion and asked her how in the hell does she know that the bible people read today is the truth? She said faith but I said that's bull because if you've read history there have been so many religious wars fought, books burned, rewritten from languages that have changed into what we speak today.

So I say embrace lust, don't fight it. Do practice safe sex but religion says "no" to sex because people get jealous when others are having sex and others are not. Think about it. It's so stupid.
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Christianity doesn't say "no" to sex. It says "no" to sex outside of marriage. There are logical reasons for that stance. It's not just an arbitrary pronouncement. Everything has it's proper time and place. Christian doctrine just prescribes what that context should be for sex so that people can avoid the negative consequences of inappropriate behaviour.

As for dealing with lust, treat it like any other bad habit. Pray for strength to resist temptation, avoid sources of temptation as much as you can, and fill your thoughts with pure, wholesome things. The more you focus on God, the less capacity you have to focus on things that are negative. So just keep your focus on God - He will take care of the rest.
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Inappropriate behaviour?

Who determines this, the church? HA!

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Re: Dealing with Lust

There is no lust for another human being when you are truly in love with someone, and I think thats the purpose of every human being, sharing true love with one another
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Re: Dealing with Lust

Well if loving mi mon is wrong den mi dont wanna fi b rite,mi nuh dat holy of a christian, yusime?? Mi lern et a natural ting a mi shldn't b afred of love eh, mi nuh no more afred, mi mon seh et ok fi love freely wid im, mi love im tu?
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Christianity doesn't say "no" to sex. It says "no" to sex outside of marriage. There are logical reasons for that stance. It's not just an arbitrary pronouncement. Everything has it's proper time and place. Christian doctrine just prescribes what that context should be for sex so that people can avoid the negative consequences of inappropriate behaviour.

As for dealing with lust, treat it like any other bad habit. Pray for strength to resist temptation, avoid sources of temptation as much as you can, and fill your thoughts with pure, wholesome things. The more you focus on God, the less capacity you have to focus on things that are negative. So just keep your focus on God - He will take care of the rest.

"God" doesn't take care of anything. Only you can take care of things yourself. Once I started focusing on myself and putting trust into myself life has gotten much better. God is just an excuse to be lazy thinking everything will fall into place because "he" is going to do some type of work for you. Not true at all.

Lusting and marriage on the other hand is just another crazy idea created by old kings and religious zealots to keep people from getting all the sex they want. Look at all the sexual "scandal" going on in the church these days. It's nothing new and sadly people follow this religion they've created. I just laugh at people who follow it and go on with my life.

I don't want to look like I'm flaming or trolling but this is the way view religion. Once I start explaining it to religious people (like my old roommate) they get angry and run out of answers. If people want to follow religion that's great. I've been to Vatican City and I can't wait to see what Mecca is all about.

Anyway, no need to resist lust. Embrace it. I lust after women all the time and they seem to like it.
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well said FM. its the creation of these rules and regulations created thousands of years ago that create a whole load of guilt for nothing about a biological certainty. we are born to procreate - with each other. look at what guilt has done to the catholic church with priests making vows about celibacy with their mind but their body cant do it, cos they have biological needs. so instead of finding a nice wife and lusting after her freely every day they abuse the little choir boys entrusted in their care and the powers that be in the catholic church cover it up - cos theyre doing it too. you can still be a good person and enjoy sex.
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Lust is the conterfeit love. It is not genuine. It is selfish. It is all about taking, and not giving. How is that healthy? And remember, windy did say that she wasn't speaking just about lust in a sexual way.

If people kept sex within its proper context, instead of justifying its misuse, there would be no sex crimes, no sex abuse, or any of the negatives mentioned before.

Think about it objectively. Rules are meant to protect. What benefit is there in free-for all behaviour? That usually brings about self-destruction.
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Lust is the conterfeit love. It is not genuine. It is selfish. It is all about taking, and not giving. How is that healthy? And remember, windy did say that she wasn't speaking just about lust in a sexual way.

If people kept sex within its proper context, instead of justifying its misuse, there would be no sex crimes, no sex abuse, or any of the negatives mentioned before.

Think about it objectively. Rules are meant to protect. What benefit is there in free-for all behaviour? That usually brings about self-destruction.
on the contrary lust can be very genuine. speaking specifically about sexual lust i would find it hard to have a loving relationship without some level of lust. sexual lust is about giving and taking. pleasing someone sexually is a wonderful thing to be able to do for someone. rules arent needed for those who have their own morals, not have been given their morals by their chosen religion. im non religious but i have morals, i do good, im nice to people and i enjoy sex. you talk like its all black and white - either withold lust or have a free-for-all. there are many grey areas that a lot of people can comfortably fit into.
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well said FM. its the creation of these rules and regulations created thousands of years ago that create a whole load of guilt for nothing about a biological certainty. we are born to procreate - with each other. look at what guilt has done to the catholic church with priests making vows about celibacy with their mind but their body cant do it, cos they have biological needs. so instead of finding a nice wife and lusting after her freely every day they abuse the little choir boys entrusted in their care and the powers that be in the catholic church cover it up - cos theyre doing it too. you can still be a good person and enjoy sex.
I agree. Sex is a good thing. It's not "evil" like religion makes it out to be.




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Lust is the conterfeit love. It is not genuine. It is selfish. It is all about taking, and not giving. How is that healthy? And remember, windy did say that she wasn't speaking just about lust in a sexual way.

If people kept sex within its proper context, instead of justifying its misuse, there would be no sex crimes, no sex abuse, or any of the negatives mentioned before.

Think about it objectively. Rules are meant to protect. What benefit is there in free-for all behaviour? That usually brings about self-destruction.

What is "genuine love" anyway? No one can ever seem to define what love is.
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Re: Dealing with Lust

Cant describe it when you havent felt it yet and when you have felt it you will know its undescribeable
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Cant describe it when you havent felt it yet and when you have felt it you will know its undescribeable
and making love with someone you genuinely and deeply love and who genuinely and deeply loves you is beautiful. *sighs wistfully and painfully*
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I agree. Sex is a good thing. It's not "evil" like religion makes it out to be.
Christianity does not make sex out to be evil. Sex is supposed to be special - even sacred. It is intended to be an expression of love between two committed people - a man and a woman. It is necessary for continuation of the species. It is a beautiful thing when expressed within its intended context. It is the misuse of sex which is condemned by Christianity. Please be clear on that. Society has moved sex from being a beautiful, sacred bonding experience, to just another cheap thrill.

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What is "genuine love" anyway? No one can ever seem to define what love is.
See this post. The love parents have for children and vice versa is genuine love. The love God has for us is genuine love. Genuine love is not selfish, as is lust.

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Cant describe it when you havent felt it yet and when you have felt it you will know its undescribeable
The mistake people make is to have this fantasy veiw of love. Love is beautiful, but it isn't necessarily the glamourous glitzy kind of fantasy feeling which many make it out to be. Lust and infatuation are more likley to fit that bill. Love is not brash or showy. Love is beautiful in its simplicity.

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and making love with someone you genuinely and deeply love and who genuinely and deeply loves you is beautiful. *sighs wistfully and painfully*
And conversely, lust is empty. There is no meaning in lust. Lust never satisfies. That's why regardless of what kinds of liberal views on sex and love people put forward, instinctively within themselves, they all yearn for true love, even if they don't realize that's what they are looking for. You could be the biggest player, or "free spirited" woman, you still really want true, genuine love. Lust is a poor substitute.
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And conversely, lust is empty. There is no meaning in lust. Lust never satisfies. That's why regardless of what kinds of liberal views on sex and love people put forward, instinctively within themselves, they all yearn for true love, even if they don't realize that's what they are looking for. You could be the biggest player, or "free spirited" woman, you still really want true, genuine love. Lust is a poor substitute.
i agree with what your saying here. what im trying to say is that lust and love have to go hand in hand for me personally to have a fulfilling relationship. and i dont think thats wrong. for that reason i am unable to have a relationship with someone im not sexually attracted to. that wouldnt be genuine to me.
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Re: Dealing with Lust

disclaimer: lust and sexual desire are NOT the same thing...

therefore lust and love do not go hand in hand...
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