Does Christmas, which is supposed to be Christ birth and Christianity's most honored tradition, have pagan origins?

Should we celebrate a tradition that is based on a lie ( Christ's birthday is not Dec 25th...in the dead of winter) and is filled with worshiping pagan gods (the christmas tree is born)
Why it is that Christ never celebrated his own birthday although it had been a practive 5 centuries before Christ was born.
In all of the bible, birthday celebrations were only mentioned twice....(both were unconverted, non believers... and both times the storys were filled with violence and death. The first one mentioned
was the pagan worshiping Egyptian Pharoh who ordered his baker hanged....The second one was wicked king Harod who actually caused the death by beheading of John the Baptist as a birthday request. No, christ nor anyone following him engaged in this practice...so if we are christians and are supposted to "follow in the footsteps of Christ" should this be a holiday to observe?

When Christianity was sweeping across Europe, it was intent on displacing the pagans who were there first.

The built churches atop pagan temples, and took pagan holy days, in this case "Yule" day, to make their own. December 25th.

Jesus was born in the spring. Most likely April. The evidence the bible gives for this is about the shepards grazing their flocks in the hills outside of town. The only time of the year there is enough rain there for grass to grow up there...is in the spring.

Follow whatever holiday you want. It all belongs to the earth, not the spirit.



x

__________________
Destroyer Of Worlds

I agree.. which is how I know Christ ws not born in Dec...however as a christian, following pagan beliefs and ritualls goes against the very point or purpose in being a Christian. As such to follow the scriptures Lev 18:3 (gist not looking at it right now) it says --after doing in the land of egypt where you dewlt you shall not do and after the doing of the land of Canaan ye shan not do neither shall you wallk in their ordinances....also Jer 10:1-3 Learn not the way of the heathen and not be dismayed at the sign of the heavens for the customs of the heathen are in vain. Lev 18:24-30--ye shall keep m statuets and my judgements and not commit any of thesse Abominations......any who comit such abominations shall be cut off from thier ppl..you shall keep my ordinace..defile not youselves..I am the Lord your God.

i dont claim to be christian but is it not to model ourselves after Christ..the perfect son of god who came to this earth to be a ransom sacrifice for us all...(attoning adams sin) if its that serious shouldnt we take modeling after him just as serious?

Throw away everything you think you know about "Christianity".

It will slow your progress far more than worrying about all those evil pagans.

You can't model yourself after Jesus, because all we have to go on are second hand accounts of people who themselves are long dead. WE don't know ourselves.

Don't worship Jesus. He doesn't want that. Its like laying flowers and incence at a roadsign.

Jesus is a roadsign, nothing more.

Just follow. Don't worship. Dangerous, dangerous trap.

All you have to do to follow Jesus is just be a good person. Thats all it takes.

The rest will fall into place as you progress on this path.



x

__________________
Destroyer Of Worlds

X i respect you post but Following in his footsteps is exactly what it means to be
christian. I thought worship was reserved for God. I do not the belive the 2 to be the same.
and if we are to follow Jesus, why engage in a practice he Himself didnt engage.

Following his footsteps, yes.

But do you know how?

The church hasn't the slightest idea. But they will waste alot of your time in telling you otherwise.

Religion is designed to trap and ensnare you in the affairs of this world. It cannot "save" you.

You have to do that for yourself.

Expect alot of resistance.

People do not arrive at heaven's gate like a busload of tourists. They arrive one at a time, and through their own efforts.

Religion is a very slick Hollywood production. It represents truth, but it cannot deliver what it promises.



x

__________________
Destroyer Of Worlds

Does Anyone Ever Wonder Or Have Done Any Research Into The Originality Of The Chrismas Traditions.....such As


Christmas Trees....
Lights
Santa Clause

Why Do We Lie To Our Childern About Santa Clause?....isnt A Lie A Sin?

Whilst I believe the path way to hell is paved with good intentions...... and I have thought of that very same thing bab.....however, I can find no negative with christmas and the reason for celebrating. Christmas is a time for giving and loving and that is all everyone talks and sings about.... That day is one of the only days in which some people go to church......why not celebrate??? and encourage our children to do the same......

__________________


Just because nobody complains doesn't mean all parachutes are perfect.

The Christmas tree and christmas are indeed pagan celebrations , the lights tinsels and gifts are said to represent the human organs and its corresponding dripping blood that the pagans would drape their holy evergreen with after a victorious battle .

The bible expressively and explicitely spoke out against this celebration in particular , like the word amen christian use it without knowing what they are truly doing .

__________________

If u follow in jesus footsteps u will end up just as he did.

I am a christian and I dont celebrate christmas. Of course it has a pagan origin, the days in december were to celebrate the some pagan gods (I think it was a roman feast). The christmas tree itself came later from Germany. Of course Jesus wasnt born in December, actually we cannot be sure when He was born. As we dont know I suppose it was never meant to be celebrated, as Jesus wasnt actually born anyhow in this earth but only came to visit. Christmas itself has now turned into commercial feast anyhow, but still I dont mind if I dont have to work on these days.

Pagan, pagan, pagan

__________________

My point exactly, how can shepards be out in blistering snow in december with sheep?

__________________

People will believe anything if its presented well. Even if its wrong.


x

__________________
Destroyer Of Worlds

If someone had asked me that question some years ago my response to that person would been it is wrong for a Christian to observe Christmas because it has pagan origin. But I have learnt one important thing in the Bible. And it is this scripture.

Matthew 16:19
And I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”

Had Jesus not made this statement I would not believe that Christians can celebrated Christmas. I am not saying though that they have to, just that its fine if they chose to do so. I have come to see that Jesus have given His people binding and losing authority, to lose or bind. There are things that the Bible does not address, so it was important for the Church to be able to make a decision on.

The Church has some things in common with the house of Israel, but it also has things that Israel did not have. For example, Israel as a whole did not have God's Holy Spirit in them.....God dwelled among them but He was not living in them, except for a few like some of the prophets and some of the kings.

The Israelites were not given the authority to forgive sins, but Christians have been given that power. It is one of the reason why the religious people of Jesus' day condemn Jesus when He said your sins are forgiven.

(NKJV)
Mark 2
Jesus Forgives and Heals a Paralytic

1 And again He entered Capernaum after some days, and it was heard that He was in the house. 2 Immediately[a] many gathered together, so that there was no longer room to receive them, not even near the door. And He preached the word to them. 3 Then they came to Him, bringing a paralytic who was carried by four men. 4 And when they could not come near Him because of the crowd, they uncovered the roof where He was. So when they had broken through, they let down the bed on which the paralytic was lying.
5 When Jesus saw their faith, He said to the paralytic, “Son, your sins are forgiven you.”
6 And some of the scribes were sitting there and reasoning in their hearts, 7 “Why does this Man speak blasphemies like this? Who can forgive sins but God alone?”

John 20:23
If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.”

Christians take this for granted but this is an amazing thing and very few realize the implication of what this means.

If Christians are to become like Jesus, then it means that just as Jesus forgives sins, so are His brothers and sisters are to do likewise. Jesus is a King, so will be His brothers and sisters. Jesus is High priest, and so will be His brothers and sisters... and so on.