HELLO,

The philosophy that skepticism is the key feature of science is based on the idea that scientific development is possible only through doubting. But if science's key feature is indeed skepticism, then in the same way they believe that chance brought everything into being, Darwinists should also admit the possibility that everything is created by God. Since skepticism is indispensable in science, then they should admit a 50% possibility that God created living things.


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Creation is NOT the issue. Nor is evolution, as the fossil record already proves it.

The issue is whether or not you can prove the existance of God through science.

You cannot.



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No... it doesn't "work"... but say it out loud. It works then.

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Albert Einstein (1879-1955)
Einstein is probably the best known and most highly revered scientist of the twentieth century, and is associated with major revolutions in our thinking about time, gravity, and the conversion of matter to energy (E=mc2). Although never coming to belief in a personal God, he recognized the impossibility of a non-created universe. The Encyclopedia Britannica says of him: "Firmly denying atheism, Einstein expressed a belief in "Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the harmony of what exists." This actually motivated his interest in science, as he once remarked to a young physicist: "I want to know how God created this world, I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts, the rest are details." Einstein's famous epithet on the "uncertainty principle" was "God does not play dice" - and to him this was a real statement about a God in whom he believed. A famous saying of his was "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."

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I've been an Einstein groupie for many, many years.

Einstein's unified field theory is about as close anyone will ever come to using science to prove God. It will go no further because physical science and all the laws that apply to it, get thrown out the window as soon as one reaches the boundry between this world and the spiritual realms beyond.

Science, and the mind that wields it, are finite.

Thats the reason the mind cannot comprehend infinity, or God.

Only the heart has the ability to move freely between dimensions.

Jesus, was such a heart.


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To be honest basesd on what I read in your remarks to abdou I concluded that you did not believe that God exist, my apologies...I agree with your last statement - and your answer to my last post on the subject has cleared that up...Jesus is indeed Lord, nuff respect.

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Jesus is an older brother. Thats all.

I think he would have issues about being called lord, or in being worshipped in the way people do today. He never asked anyone to worship him, just follow.

Religion, has chosen to worship rather than follow. As a result, the ability to follow has been lost. All you have left now are the blind leading the blind in search of something they will never find.

The living word of God can only exist in a living vessel. A master. Someone who can speak from their pure heart. Once you write those words down into a book, it begins to rot. Thats why religion, all religion, may be considered "satanic", as it becomes property of the mental realm.

The mind, and the world it creates around you, is the domain of Satan, as you understand him.

I am an enemy of anti-christ. That which diverts the attention from the true path.

This includes religion.


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I am sorry but I do not agree with your conculsions about Jesus the Christ - He is more than a brother,prophet,goodman,teacher,saint,preacher,ect ...He is the Son of The most High God...(BIBLE not just christianity) Lord and Saviour of all...the purest and only way to The Father, now I could leave this statement all by itself and it would stand as truth for next 2000 years...and into eternity, but let us discuss this based on the bible facts also not just philosophical arguments and regligious dogma.

The scriptures has no record of Him asking for worship but it does say that He is God's only Son and His name is above every other name. I can go on with this to show many scriptures that also identifies Jesus as God (St. John 1: 1-5), but I wont start that now...instead let me say this, If the living word was not written (in a book) for use in the "mental realm" how then would we be able to effectivly learn Gods instructions for us? God's word is life...wether it is written or spoken, and because God is truth and life His words will never rot...it has lasted this long, Now if one does not believe a part of the book (Bible) then why continue to use it? Even though the book (Bible) exist in the physical realm like true believers unless we choose another way; we remain Gods property not satans, and if we remain faithfull to his name then we will become in curruptable...as He is. more to come.....

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I understand your point of view very well, and take no offense. I was raised as a southern baptist. Been there, done that.

However, true religion is not a group effort, its an individual journey. The church is the last place you will hear that.

It is easy to please those who are dying of thirst. They will drink anything, and give little regard if it's cloudy or not. Despite how polluted this drink has become, it will be welcomed by those who thirst.

As I often repeat myself here, I will do the same for you.

In my world, there is no duality. No light and dark. No positive and negative. No God or devil. When you have reached that point in the course of your own personal evolution, you will understand how there isn't anything but God. Everything is God. Without exception.

Until that day arrives for you personally, you will see yourself as apart from God. You will see evil lurking around every corner. You will fear death. You will fear Satan is suckering you in yet once again. When in reality, there is no difference between God and Satan except the spelling. Thats a hard concept for most people to envision.

If it were easy, you wouldn't need people like Jesus to come and help you out. Religion has done more to widen the void between you and God than you are currently capable of understanding. Religion, despite it's honest intent, cannot open the gates of the kingdom for you. It may fire up your enthusiasm for the trip, but it has no power beyond that, because religion is based upon the cloudy waters of the written word. It is as dead as last year's leaves.

Look around you. What fruit has religion given the world? It is the basis for war. For hatred. For discrimination. These are not spiritual fruits. They are fruits of the earth. Religion belongs to the earth. Religion will hold you to the earth. Until...you move beyond religion. That, takes a brave person. You will only get there by unlearning what you have been taught.

You have to break away from the pack, and stand as a solitary figure.

This is what Jesus was talking about when he said you had to leave everything behind in order to follow him. It doesn't mean you have to give up everything you own and become a beggar. You just have to do something even more difficult.

Empty yourself of who you believe yourself to be.

Only then will God fill you. It will be at that moment when you discover the truth of HOW you are created in God's image. Not with two arms, two legs, and a head, but with the same substance as God himself. You are like a cup of water dipped from the wellspring of the almighty. You are an intimate part of God. You always have been. But when you took on human form, you forgot your divine nature. You traded it for the cheap sensations of the material world. You fell. Into the world.

Now, the mind was designed as a tool for you to use while here. It controls this vessel of a human body. It was never meant to be your master, but somewhere along the way, you got addicted to the sensations it produces, and like any addict, you gave in to it. The mind is the real Satan.

Your heart is your real indentity. It loves, It cares for. It feels, but not through physical connections. This was made to ride in the back of the bus when you became addicted to the physical world. And no dead religion will ever change that.

The truth that will set you free from this self imposed prison, can only be spoken, not written. and it can only be spoken by one of pure heart. One who has lost the dividing barrier between themselves and the most high. When they speak, God speaks. Thus, the "son of God" title.

Jesus was such a person. He knew there was no difference between himself and God, but he struggled with the mind right up until the end, because it is a difficult thing to bring under control.

The real secret to Christianity is that everyone is a potential Christ. Not just Jesus. We are all the children of God. Not just Jesus. This is a great mistake, and a fine example of how a written word can come into so many interpretations.

A living master can correct the misunderstanding on the spot. A book, cannot do so. The Bible has been the plaything of many individuals over the centuries. It has suffered accordingly. As have those who follow it.

The parade of the blind leading the blind continues.

But don't fret. Be the best person you can be. You will find God. It is your birthright. You are heir to a kingdom that begs release from INSIDE of you. Heaven is not "up there" somewhere. It's INSIDE.

There is one coming who will repeat these same words.


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