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Old 09-30-2008, 01:28 PM
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Re: Why won't the US stop their guns from leaving the US?

Disreagrding the politics of the existing, or any other political party, just ask yourself this question...Has the position of the United States in the World community ever changed since 1945??????

Was there ever a time in recent history where the United States was lauded by the majority of the world as being one of the good guys?
When?
The 60's, 70's, no..80's perhaps/ or how aboutteh 90's?

My point is, we spend far too much time cussin' the government of the day and we miss the mark by not seeing teh big picture: It doesnt matter who is in the White House, the United States will always be Public (World) Enemy number One!
Throughout the Johnson, Nixon, Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton era, Republicans and Democrats alike, the US has and will always be in the cross-hairs of those who swear annihilation to them.
It doesnt matter who is in Power they all march to the beat of the same drum.

And any Presidential nominee Black, White, Red, Male or female, who has a perspective on doing "World" business any way different, will find themselves only as close as the sidewalks of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, Washington DC ; peering through the fences like you and I.
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Old 09-30-2008, 01:36 PM
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Disreagrding the politics of the existing, or any other political party, just ask yourself this question...Has the position of the United States in the World community ever changed since 1945??????
I am a prisoner of Hope.......I believe its never to late for change.....and that some how some way, perhaps that leader will come along that, that could change EVERYTHING....you never know how close you are to God answering your prayer and granting you his blessings...we might be closer than you think! How is that for Idealism.....
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Old 09-30-2008, 01:57 PM
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I am a prisoner of Hope.......I believe its never to late for change.....and that some how some way, perhaps that leader will come along that, that could change EVERYTHING....you never know how close you are to God answering your prayer and granting you his blessings...we might be closer than you think! How is that for Idealism.....
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I am not saying that it will NEVER change. Its not about being idealistic or not.
What I am trying to say is that there is a reason, a mode and a master plan above and beyond the Oval Office and who sits in the chair.
Wasting our time mulling over the Bush, McCain or Obama politics wont make a difference becuase they ALL have their eyes on the same (World) prize.
In a word..Politics and the differing political parties in America are all smoke just and mirrors.
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HT,
I am not saying that it will NEVER change. Its not about being idealistic or not.
What I am trying to say is that there is a reason, a mode and a master plan above and beyond the Oval Office and who sits in the chair.
Wasting our time mulling over the Bush, McCain or Obama politics wont make a difference becuase they ALL have their eyes on the same (World) prize.
In a word..Politics and the differing political parties in America are all smoke just and mirrors.
Oh well on this...we agree 100%....maybe even more....
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Certainly not mine or those of MY forefathers.
Does that mean that the identity of those whose blood was shed is not important?

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Come on now, do you really think that the US government would KNOWINGLY allow illegal guns to leave their borders??? That's ludicrous. Have you stopped to realize that the US administration has always expresses cooperation with the Carribean community in stemming the illegal guntrafficking? But know this..the vast najority of Black-marketed guns were bought LEGALLy in the US. Its the conversion of these weapons to drug dealing commodities that makes these guns illegal.
Of course it is possible that the US could knowingly allow illegal guns to leave their borders. Expressing cooperation doesn't mean that all is being done to deal with the matter. Whether the guns were obtained "legally" or not, it is their export that causes a problem. The US should be doing more to stop the proliferation of their guns to the Caribbean.

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True. And what evidence supports the fact tha the US areturning ablind eye to illegal exporting guns?
I never said they were turning a blind eye. I said they were not doing enough. The volume of guns flowing through Haiti is evidence of this.
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And what of LEGAL guns that leave the US through legitimate means but end up in the hands of criminals? What then?
What legitimate means would cause them to end up in the hands of criminals?

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The Wild Wild West was not "Won" by reducing the amount of guns in Dodge City.
The BOTH Bermuda and Bahamas, there is a zero gun import tolerance (with the exception of the police), but yet they both have high crime rates with and without guns.

True, that strict enforcement of our borders is integral to reducing more illegal guns entering the country, but unlike those two afore-mentioned countries, Jamaica is already saturated with illegal guns. At this point, in Jamaica, a vaccine won't help; the desease has already be manifested. Its now time for pennicillin and antibiotics..
Think logically. If you don't stop guns from coming into the island, it doesn't matter whether you get rid of all the existing ones. The guns will keep coming in. You have to stop the inflow while you clean up what exists in order to be rid of it all. Think logically. Of course stopping guns from coming in will help the situation.

If the US doesn't have a responsibility to do something about its guns leaving its borders, then they have no right to say anything about other nations keeping "whatever" from leaving theirs.
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If the US doesn't have a responsibility to do something about its guns leaving its borders, then they have no right to say anything about other nations keeping "whatever" from leaving theirs.
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