I am not moving to Jamaica....... - Page 4 - Jamaica Talk

LeesaJ · #46 (**permalink**) 06-25-2009, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex4Ja

Pardon my Hijack…for 3 minutes.

LeesaJ,
As you should know by now, I have the greatest amount of mutual respect for you and your views here, so please don’t take it as a personal attack nor a negative undertone. No problem Alex.

I think you have a totally convoluted perspective of Jamaica and its people. Whatever exposure you have gained from visiting Jamaica and meeting its people, backed by the obviously unsatisfactory response from the Jamaicans her on ETJ, have certainly lend itself to your skewed view of us. This paragraph accurately sums up why I now have don't feel so great about Jamaica as I did for the past 20+ years. The message I get in Jamaica and here, both directly and indirectly, is that Jamaicans do not like white Americans for a variety of reasons. They hold a perspective on Americans in general that I do not feel applies to me in particular. And they resent white Americans for reasons I really don't understand. Trust me, I'm not happy to have come to this conclusion.

Your talk of negativity and hostility of Jamaicans towards Americans has not proven credible...At least not in my book. You haven't experienced what I've experienced so your "book" is not mine. Wouldn't expect you to understand me because you've never asked me about my experiences. And when I've talked about my experiences I've been ridiculed by some of y'all so I don't any more.

From my position based on your rhetoric over several threads, it serves only to convince me of what I think is your TRUE position...One that I have seen on many occasions in corporate America, the US military and a few individuals in social circles for the many years that I have had the privilege of living in this country.

You are welcome to correct me if I am wrong on this but despite all that you have said, this s is what I hear: "Who are these people from such a small, underdeveloped country that they should have such a pompous attitude; especially to us Americans who because of our tourist dollars and foreign aid has kept them from starvation? What gives them the right to be acting all uppity and all that, when had it not been the mercy of the US in granting them Green cards and stuff, they and all those family members that they have left behind, would all be there fighting and killing each other like the barbarians that they are. They should all be thankful for our handouts instead of behaving like they are more morally and ethically better than us. They have absolutely no sense of appreciation for what we the Great United States have done for many of them."

You two couldn't be farther from the truth in regard to me. I see this as you projecting your experiences on me. This tells me more about you and your issues, it does not reflect my mind set. I take exception to that perspective 100%. I fell in love with Jamaica for numerous reasons many years ago. As stated before, I was treated very well when I travelled there as part of a couple. As a single woman I am harassed and treated poorly in a way I don't expect to be treated anywhere. I came to ETJ to try to learn more about Ja culture so I could understand the people better. What I've found on here is a lot of bias against white Americans.
You might not have said it literally but that is what I am feeling from you. Such rhetoric could only best be completed by two words: "Heil Hitler!” for such would be the ramblings of a self-appointed “conqueror”. Not to imply that you are a Nazi; of course.

I'm not a Nazi or a conqueror either. I'm a person who likes meeting all kinds of people and tries to treat everyone I meet well. But when people treat me poorly then payback will happen. There's more I could say, but I won't other than I think many but not all Jamaicans are xenophobic to da max. I'll continue to visit there cuz it works for me and I have friends there, although some have told me no Jamaican would ever really be my friend. I at least hope those I like like me as well......

LeesaJ · #47 (**permalink**) 06-25-2009, 08:25 PM

Since no one bothered to ask me why I wouldn't move to Ja, let me clarify:

It's not a safe place. Crime rate 10 times that of the US.

I dont' speak the language the locals use. Everyone I know there speaks Patois with their friends for the most part.

I couldn't get a good job.

It's expensive.

I wouldn't fit in, the cultural differences are enormous.

I don't think most Jamaicans like Americans. I have friends who owned a business there, they left because of harassment.

I don't like the way Jamaican men treat women in general, not being specific to anyone on ETJ.

I just wouldn't feel comfortable there.

Doesn't make me a bad person. I don't think many Jamaicans would want to live where I live and I wouldn't blame them.

You all get so freakin uptight when someone voices an opinion of Ja that is based on their experiences................

bountyx · #48 (**permalink**) 06-25-2009, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Lady Rasta

im not moving to JA cuz....where would i go to vacation??

I live here and I haven't been everywhere fun and special on the island, and even if I did, I'd just do it again.

The other day I took the fam out to the country, trust me, just the drive alone (minus the eeediats on the road) was like a vacation. The scenery is so beautiful. Sometimes, the daily hustle makes even Jamaicans forget what a gem we have, and too many of us don't take the time to go enjoy it.

So your argument for not moving JA because you wouldn't know where to vacation doesn't cut it LR.

lbelly · #49 (**permalink**) 06-25-2009, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by bountyx

I live here and I haven't been everywhere fun and special on the island, and even if I did, I'd just do it again.

The other day I took the fam out to the country, trust me, just the drive alone (minus the eeediats on the road) was like a vacation. The scenery is so beautiful. Sometimes, the daily hustle makes even Jamaicans forget what a gem we have, and too many of us don't take the time to go enjoy it.

So your argument for not moving JA because you wouldn't know where to vacation doesn't cut it LR.

Same thing with NY..it took me moving to fla to go back and visit the statue of liberty and empire state building!

Alex4Ja · #50 (**permalink**) 06-25-2009, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by LeesaJ

I'm not a Nazi or a conqueror either. I'm a person who likes meeting all kinds of people and tries to treat everyone I meet well. would ever really be my friend. I at least hope those I like like me as well......

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Originally Posted by Alex4Ja

You might not have said it literally but that is what I am feeling from you. Such rhetoric could only best be completed by two words: "Heil Hitler!” for such would be the ramblings of a self-appointed “conqueror”. Not to imply that you are a Nazi; of course.

Hmmmmmm

Indeed.

Alex4Ja · #51 (**permalink**) 06-25-2009, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by LeesaJ

Since no one bothered to ask me why I wouldn't move to Ja, let me clarify:

It's not a safe place. Crime rate 10 times that of the US. And from what survey did you extrapolated that information again?

I dont' speak the language the locals use. Everyone I know there speaks Patois with their friends for the most part.

I couldn't get a good job.

It's expensive.

I wouldn't fit in, the cultural differences are enormous.

I don't think most Jamaicans like Americans. I have friends who owned a business there, they left because of harassment.

I don't like the way Jamaican men treat women in general, not being specific to anyone on ETJ. And please tell me once again, how do Jamaican men treat women in general?????

I just wouldn't feel comfortable there. Well, based on your expressed opinions, I agree 100%.

Doesn't make me a bad person. I don't think many Jamaicans would want to live where I live and I wouldn't blame them.

You all get so freakin uptight when someone voices an opinion of Ja that is based on their experiences................

Personally speaking, I am not nor have been uptight about you voicing ypour opinion about Jamaica or Jamaicans. In fact I am more disappointed than anything else consideriung that I always considered you to be a very objective contributor. As far as I am concerned (excluding all others) any further opinion that you might express with respect to Jamaica and Jamaicans, can no longer bear any credence or value in my book. Not because I no longer respect your opinions but because I now see that it devoid of credibilty and high on ignorance. But who gives a whistle what I think anyway. The forum is for all; the informed as well as the ignorant.

Respectfully, once again you have shown your propensity for making statements devoid of facts. Maybe you wanna take a look at this report: America's Most Dangerous Cities - Forbes.com

Hotteach · #52 (**permalink**) 06-25-2009, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex4Ja

Personally speaking, I am not nor have been uptight about you voicing ypour opinion about Jamaica or Jamaicans. In fact I am more disappointed than anything else consideriung that I always considered you to be a very objective contributor. As far as I am concerned (excluding all others) any further opinion that you might express with respect to Jamaica and Jamaicans, can no longer bear any credence or value in my book. Not because I no longer respect your opinions but because I now see that it devoid of credibilty and high on ignorance. But who gives a whistle what I think anyway. The forum is for all; the informed as well as the ignorant.

Respectfully, once again you have shown your propensity for making statements devoid of facts. Maybe you wanna take a look at this report: America's Most Dangerous Cities - Forbes.com

I would borrow this quote and say it to some one else who fits in the same category...accept i am ignoring them. lol

Alex4Ja · #53 (**permalink**) 06-25-2009, 09:40 PM

Addendum..

The thing that continues to defy my pea-brained intellect though is...Since you have draw such negative inference from Jamaica, Jamaicans and everything Jamaican, why in God's name would you want to continue to go there when there are so many other tropic paradises; or even to engage in conversations on such issues with people whose opinion is so inherently oppose to yours?

Holding and expressing an opinion on issues having no relevance to facts, is one thing. Throwing caution to the wind and just making stereotypical statements on fact-based issues that has absolutely no credibility, is a totally different thing.

Alex4Ja · #54 (**permalink**) 06-25-2009, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Hotteach

I would borrow this quote and say it to some one else who fits in the same category...accept i am ignoring them. lol

Copyrighted 2009

Hotteach · #55 (**permalink**) 06-25-2009, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex4Ja

Copyrighted 2009

Darn! Ok well its not illegal to paraphrase......

Alex4Ja · #56 (**permalink**) 06-25-2009, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Hotteach

Darn! Ok well its not illegal to paraphrase......

I'll still sue.
You're a teacher, you make a lot of money.

Hotteach · #57 (**permalink**) 06-25-2009, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex4Ja

I'll still sue.
You're a teacher, you make a lot of money.

Ok you just made me spit spring wata all over the screen...laughing out loud at that.....thanks cause it was so serious roun yah today.....

Alex4Ja · #58 (**permalink**) 06-25-2009, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Hotteach

Ok you just made me spit spring wata all over the screen...laughing out loud at that.....thanks cause it was so serious roun yah today.....

I am ALWAYS delighted to bring a smile....now go clean up di screen.

bountyx · #59 (**permalink**) 06-25-2009, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex4Ja

Respectfully, once again you have shown your propensity for making statements devoid of facts. Maybe you wanna take a look at this report: America's Most Dangerous Cities - Forbes.com

Compare the figures in that report to the Jamaican crime stats for 2008 here.

Bear in mind that the population in Jamaica is somewhere in the region of 2.8 million.

Alex4Ja · #60 (**permalink**) 06-25-2009, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by bountyx

Compare the figures in that report to the Jamaican crime stats for 2008 here.

Bear in mind that the population in Jamaica is somewhere in the region of 2.8 million.

Yu reading my mind. I was just researching that very same report.

Most peeps dont seem to realize that in a country of less than 3 million people, news and incidents appear more "sensational".