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Old 01-17-2005, 03:22 PM
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66 year old Romanian woman has given birth

Today a 66 year old woman gave birth to a baby girl, The girl was born prematurely by Caesarean section after her twin sister died in the womb, the hospital said. The baby weighed just 1.4kg(3lb) and was still in intensive cares.
Adriana Iliescu, who underwent fertility treatment for nine years before becoming pregnant, is thought to be the oldest recorded mother.

I don't know what yu think about that but personally i think those scientist and this woman are totally mad .
They are going against the nature's law, imagine that if the girl survive his mother will be 76 when she is ten 86 when she is 20 !
When yu know that there is millions of children to adopt,she could adopt when she was younger, but it's very selfish .
We are living in a consumption society and some people think they just can make baby like they buy something in supermarket....
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Re: 66 year old Romanian woman has given birth

Oh my!!! Dat too old man!!
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Old 01-17-2005, 04:07 PM
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Re: 66 year old Romanian woman has given birth

Man... too much on a 66 yr old body. I think some people just really want a kid they will try and try forever. BU tnot me. Anything afte 35 is retirement.
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Re: 66 year old Romanian woman has given birth

What could a 66 year old possibly want with a baby? She`ll die before it`s 20 unless she`s SUPER healthy and why was she sexin at 66 anyway??? Bwoy oh bwoy!!
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Re: 66 year old Romanian woman has given birth

I think Dr's should have their licenses revoked for stuff like that. Just imagine all the nutrients that those twins sapped from her body that it no longer produces in abundance anymore. They should have never ever given her fertility drugs, she is not going to do well i just know she's not.
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One word.............................GROSS!!
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Re: 66 year old Romanian woman has given birth


Genesis 17 (New International Version)

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15 God also said to Abraham, "As for Sarai your wife, you are no longer to call her Sarai; her name will be Sarah. 16 I will bless her and will surely give you a son by her. I will bless her so that she will be the mother of nations; kings of peoples will come from her."

17 Abraham fell facedown; he laughed and said to himself, "Will a son be born to a man a hundred years old? Will Sarah bear a child at the age of ninety?" 18 And Abraham said to God, "If only Ishmael might live under your blessing!"

19 Then God said, "Yes, but your wife Sarah will bear you a son, and you will call him Isaac. [d] I will establish my covenant with him as an everlasting covenant for his descendants after him. 20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard you: I will surely bless him; I will make him fruitful and will greatly increase his numbers. He will be the father of twelve rulers, and I will make him into a great nation. 21 But my covenant I will establish with Isaac, whom Sarah will bear to you by this time next year." 22 When he had finished speaking with Abraham, God went up from him.
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1 Now the LORD was gracious to Sarah as he had said, and the LORD did for Sarah what he had promised. 2 Sarah became pregnant and bore a son to Abraham in his old age, at the very time God had promised him. 3 Abraham gave the name Isaac [a] to the son Sarah bore him. 4 When his son Isaac was eight days old, Abraham circumcised him, as God commanded him. 5 Abraham was a hundred years old when his son Isaac was born to him.

6 Sarah said, "God has brought me laughter, and everyone who hears about this will laugh with me." 7 And she added, "Who would have said to Abraham that Sarah would nurse children? Yet I have borne him a son in his old age."
God has his reasons for allowing such things to happen, though we may not understand them.

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Re: 66 year old Romanian woman has given birth

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Genesis 21 (New International Version)


God has his reasons for allowing such things to happen, though we may not understand them.

Those were miracles proformed by God. This is man trying to BE God. There is a differance. If God was gonna preform a a miracle for her to be pregnant then she just would have popped up pregnant by natural means, not by some Dr pumping her full of hormones.
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Those were miracles proformed by God. This is man trying to BE God. There is a differance. If God was gonna preform a a miracle for her to be pregnant then she just would have popped up pregnant by natural means, not by some Dr pumping her full of hormones.
One could take that view with men employing man made means to prolong life too...

I figure, whatever happened there is between that woman, her family and God. No skin off my back...
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Re: 66 year old Romanian woman has given birth

People will do anything to get a bit of publicity. The child will be pusing is mother in a wheelchair to school instead of the mother pushing the pushcair with the child in it. How embar****ing, when he has parents evening, kids will be asking " is that your great grand ma"
Don't think she will live to see the child reach teenager. What a selfish women.

These days and the bible days are different, in the bible they lived to 700 yrs plus these days you luckey if you live to 80. Can't compare the two different ages really.
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Re: 66 year old Romanian woman has given birth

Here's an article on the matter.

I don't think she's anymore selfish than any other woman who has wanted a child. Girls having babies while in their teens, before they are mature, should draw more heat I think.
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Here's an article on the matter.

I don't think she's anymore selfish than any other woman who has wanted a child. Girls having babies while in their teens, before they are mature, should draw more heat I think.
Bountyx I've read many of your comments and was agree with most of the things you said, but this time not.
I think you should not compare teens having babies with that old woman, cause for most of the teens who have children they didn't choose to have a child at 13 or 15 year, some didn't know about sex and contraception other were raped by family or "friends" , and the others who wanted to have a baby to play with were just irresponsible ,so i don't think you can make that comparison.
I also don't think you could compare "Sarah" from Bible with that woman who was helped by mad scientist who want to be famous playing with the lifes of babies; one of the twin babies already died and the other baby girl is very light (1.4KG) and still very weak .
You should not think that god allows everything what happen on earth, and also remind yourself that Satan is also working to establish his kingdom even if we know that good will finally beat the evil .
God is only watching what we are doing and from our actions we will be judge.
Personally i'm against all this experiences on foetus and also abortion .
If you can't have baby by the natural way , just adopt one, they are millions waiting and dreaming to have parents to care for them ...
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Re: 66 year old Romanian woman has given birth

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Bountyx I've read many of your comments and was agree with most of the things you said, but this time not.
No worries. That just means we can have a spirited discussion.

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I think you should not compare teens having babies with that old woman, cause for most of the teens who have children they didn't choose to have a child at 13 or 15 year, some didn't know about sex and contraception other were raped by family or "friends" , and the others who wanted to have a baby to play with were just irresponsible ,so i don't think you can make that comparison.
Ok, let's break it down. What are the issues surrounding this woman having a baby at 66 and those surrounding teenage mothers?

1. Health of the child and the mother:
She was to have twins, 1 died, 1 lived. Because of her age, there were risks to the health of the children.
Teenage mothers also face significant risks of problems with themselves and the babies (See this article )

2. Motivations/ reasons for having the child:
This woman just wanted children. She wanted them badly enough to seek fertility treatment at a late stage in her life. Their are some teenage girls who just want children badly enough to go out and actively seek to get pregnant at such an early stage in their lives. Not all are "innocent" or uninformed about sexual matters.

3. Mechanisms of getting the child:
This woman took fertility treatment and took a lot of effort (over 9 years I think the article said) to get pregnant. Not many teenage girls take fertility treatment, but some are promiscuous and have unprotected sex frequently.

4. The ability of the mother to adequately take care of the child:
This woman appeared to have resources. So the physical needs of the child
are likely to be met. She seemed to want a child enough to provide emotional support. I don't know what her extended family structure is like, but that could also be a resource pool for caring for the child. With teenage mothers, they typically don't have any resources of their own to take care of their offspring (they themselves are dependents). They aren't usually mature enough to handle parenting. Some get support from parents etc. but many don't.

What really is the bone of contention with that woman giving birth? Is she really selfish for wanting what millions of women have wanted?

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I also don't think you could compare "Sarah" from Bible with that woman who was helped by mad scientist who want to be famous playing with the lifes of babies; one of the twin babies already died and the other baby girl is very light (1.4KG) and still very weak .
You should not think that god allows everything what happen on earth, and also remind yourself that Satan is also working to establish his kingdom even if we know that good will finally beat the evil .
God is only watching what we are doing and from our actions we will be judge.
Personally i'm against all this experiences on foetus and also abortion .
If you can't have baby by the natural way , just adopt one, they are millions waiting and dreaming to have parents to care for them ...
I made reference to the biblical situation only to make the point that God sometimes allows things to happen which to us, have no logical purpose or sense to it. This does not mean their is no purpose. It just means we don't understand it. Obviously God allowed that baby to be born to that woman. He's powerful enough to have stopped it. I'm just saying that before we jump to condemn and judge, we should consider the possibility that maybe there is a purpose for that child.

Yes the devil is active, but he isn't more powerful than God, and he cannot do anything that God doesn't allow to happen - no matter how terrible it may seem. And yes, in the end, the devil does lose and God and His people are victorious. That's why I take the view that if God allowed it to happen, there must be a reason, and in the long run, He's still in control.
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Yes the devil is active, but he isn't more powerful than God, and he cannot do anything that God doesn't allow to happen - no matter how terrible it may seem. And yes, in the end, the devil does lose and God and His people are victorious. That's why I take the view that if God allowed it to happen, there must be a reason, and in the long run, He's still in control.
And if God allows thousands of people to die and suffer, there must be a reason?
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And if God allows thousands of people to die and suffer, there must be a reason?
There's a reason for everything...
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