Black Empowerment or Racism? - Page 3 - Jamaica Talk

Alex4Ja · #31 (**permalink**) 07-29-2009, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Hotteach

I will give you this point...its not all Jews who act that way, but in my experience in the tri -state area where there is a ery large population of jewish people....its the norm not the exception....and no i don't have hard proof to quote, but I know what happens in my experience....its fairly common knowledge around here even the Jews don't deny it...they are proud of it..and its because they don't do it out of hate they just look out for one another....

Appropriately, it is not all Jews that are racist. I have a lifelong friend who has been truer and purer than many Blacks I know. But my statement, though apparently encompassing, was a general statement aimed at the genaral attitude of Jews based on my own knowledge as well as the opinion of many across the world.
The brother of my said Jewish friend was ostracized by teh Jewsh community and disinherited becasue he chose to marry a woman who was catholic. His children are not allowed to even visit their jewish cousins.
In my opinion...Most Jews are racist

Lady Rasta · #32 (**permalink**) 07-29-2009, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Alex4Ja

In a CBS new report this morning, many Blacks have now made the concerted effort to drive out all non-Black-owned business from their communities by resorting to doing business ONLY with wholly-owned Black businesses. According to the report, anything and everything, from a pin to an anchor will not be purchased by many Blacks unless the business is 100% owned by Blacks. This si similar to the actions of many Jewish communities throughout teh world.
Dr. Martin L King wanted integration and the ability for all colors to interact socially, commercially and spiritually. Black empowerment, but racial integration.
Malcom X and Marcus Garvey wanted total segregation and support only for Black bussiness and empwerment of their community: Black empowerment, racial segregation.
What's your opinion on this?
hmmmmmmm .........i think it would work (for a while) and be beneficial in the long run.
DO you think that the effort to support only Black-owned business is racially biased and counter productive to racial integration?
im not sure!. first, i will buy any where with any body! i have to say that i do go out of my way to buy at black owned bizness to show support...even if is 20 minutes away!
I think it is important to support black business (all other races/groups) support one another...(the Indian ppl, Ethipians, Jewish, Hispanic, Asians) they all support thier own biznesses!---why not the black ppl?
I can tell you that i visit and buy every where..i have noticed the support they show one another! i have rarely noticed other races in these "black" bizness/stores...so if we dont show support, who will?

DO you think that if White citizens publicly made such declarations on national TV, this would be seen as racism?

LOL!--baby they say it all de time!....the just dont verbalize it..LOL

Alex4Ja · #33 (**permalink**) 07-29-2009, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Lady Rasta

LOL!--baby they say it all de time!....the just dont verbalize it..LOL

Point taken.
I personally do support Black owned business but not for the same reason. I drive all the way from MA to Hartford, CT because I want teh quality stuff.
I buy West Indian foods because I know the quality of their products.
I buy Jamaican Patties and Cocoa Bread from Jamaican Bakerys because its the best.
I spend my money where I think I can get the best bang for my buck.
Quality, not Black empowerment, is my number One motivation.

Sorry if thats a discomfort and dissapointment to others.

bountyx · #34 (**permalink**) 07-29-2009, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex4Ja

BountyX,
Thats an overstatement.
Nothing in the sociology of humans are all inclusive to every group in its entirety. It is obvious that it does not apply to every single Jew.

If it is so obvious, why boldly proclaim the contrary?

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Originally Posted by Alex4Ja

But tell me this though....Is it all inclusive to all Blacks that they are ALL are motivated to empower their community by supporting the businesses without any notion of racism or malice, as you stated earlier?

Not everybody is going to act from the same motivation.

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Originally Posted by Alex4Ja

Considering that you have not only been around Blacks much much longer than I have been around Jews, and ALSO since (assumingly) you are Black, did you speak for ALL Blacks when you made that statement?

I spoke about the typical motivation for such campaigns. I can't speak for all black people. People are different. There have been several initiatives to encourage support of black owned businesses. Typically in those cases, the aim is economic empowerment for the black community. That is the reason given for the efforts by the organizers.

Alex4Ja · #35 (**permalink**) 07-29-2009, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by bountyx

If it is so obvious, why boldly proclaim the contrary?

Not everybody is going to act from the same motivation.

I spoke about the typical motivation for such campaigns. I can't speak for all black people. People are different. There have been several initiatives to encourage support of black owned businesses. Typically in those cases, the aim is economic empowerment for the black community. That is the reason given for the efforts by the organizers.

Any reason can be given as the reason for a campaign. Who is to say that the underlying reason for many of those black empowerment campaigns are not based on racism?
Why are you willing to asssert that when its Black based its not racist but in other cases it could well be?

bountyx · #36 (**permalink**) 07-29-2009, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex4Ja

Any reason can be given as the reason for a campaign. Who is to say that the underlying reason for many of those black empowerment campaigns are not based on racism?

In a sense maybe it is based on racism ie. it's a reaction to racism towards black people and the resulting oppression against black people.

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Originally Posted by Alex4Ja

Why are you willing to asssert that when its Black based its not racist but in other cases it could well be?

What I stated was that typically such programmes are borne out of a desire to level the playing field for black businesses and to foster the economic development of the black community. It is a means of overcoming the challenges faced by the black community due to institutionalized racism and the system which holds minorities down. Check the definition of racism again. These endeavours are a reaction to racism. The motivation is not founded in the belief that black people are superior and therefore should oppress other races.

Why are you willing to assert that these these attempts at empowering the black community are racist?

Alex4Ja · #37 (**permalink**) 07-30-2009, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by bountyx

Why are you willing to assert that these these attempts at empowering the black community are racist?

I am not!
My position is to level the playing field (as you pointed out) in our perspective of the underlying motivation that drives any and every race class and color do (or dont do) what they do, when they do it.
Beyond cultures and skin color we as peopel all feel the same and want the same things in this life.

Alex4Ja · #38 (**permalink**) 07-30-2009, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by bountyx

In a sense maybe it is based on racism ie. it's a reaction to racism towards black people and the resulting oppression against black people.
I respect the fact that you said that.

What I stated was that typically such programmes are borne out of a desire to level the playing field for black businesses and to foster the economic development of the black community. It is a means of overcoming the challenges faced by the black community due to institutionalized racism and the system which holds minorities down. Check the definition of racism again. These endeavours are a reaction to racism. The motivation is not founded in the belief that black people are superior and therefore should oppress other races.

Respects again on your responses.