I think parents hit there children because of there own fustration and inadequacies. There is no excuse for hitting a child. It's pathetic and exposes the ignorance of the parent.

I wholeheartedly agree. A parent hitting a child says more about what the parent needs to learn.

LS,

I am not about to tell you that jamaicans are not 'violent" in terms of their rising kids. But it has been proven universally, (I can't remember the exact poll) that kids who grew up in teh South (USA), in Jamaica (pre-1990's0 and other countries where they are brought up "under the belt" were more disciplined, respectful of authority and elders. They were also less prone to comitting violent crimes and crimes of passion.

Yes, we had kids in those days who would commit crimes. But many of those were "abused" and neglected.

There is a VAST difference between a child brought up and were beaten by their parents versus one that was brought up by abuse:

To correctly 'flog' a child means that the child is punished knowing fully well that their (whatever) deed was wrong and they are being punished for that.
This punishment should not be permanent (leaving scars), physically destructive and inundated with hated rhetoric. the child must thereafter be shown love and affection and fully understand teh reason fr their punishment.

To abuse a child means that the child is recklessly whipped, hit or otherwise battered and left in a state of mind that they are dispised or hated. this child may suffer long term or permanent damage.
THAT to US, is abuse.

Now, if you consider al this to be rubbish and that all form of 'whipping.spanking" is abuse, then i guess that half the United States, all of the Carribean and many countries in Africa are filled with violent abusive parents who belong behind bars, me included.

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Now, if you consider al this to be rubbish and that all form of 'whipping.spanking" is abuse, then i guess that half the United States, all of the Carribean and many countries in Africa are filled with violent abusive parents who belong behind bars, me included.[/quote]

Yes in fact I do. Your detailed description of the correct way to abuse a child makes my blood run cold. I have worked with some very damaged kids as a result of this kind of 'correction'. Quite frankly whats worse about your words is that there is not a shred of remorse. I guess you simply believe you are right and that really makes me sad.

And thats why many of you parents (Well not YOU exactly ) will have your faces slapped in public by your 8 year olds and have doors slammed in your faces when your kids dont get the latest version of Gameboy and X-Box.

Thats why many of your kids will openly use expletives in your presence as well as those of your guest.

To this very day, I can not walk into a room and not say "Good Evening' or "Good Afternoon'".

I see many of these kids walk past adult visitors in their own house without even saying hello.

Now, am i saying that kids nOT brought up on whipping could not grow to be well-mannered and disciplined?
No, Not at all....But the vast majority of kids brought up undeer the best are usuall FAR MORE respectful and disciplined as compared to thsoe who grew up under "Time Out".
THAT IS MY OPINION.

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Listen Lady,
Are you trying to imply that i should feel remorseful about punishing my child?
Well if so, Then I will nominate myself as the most evil parent on the face of the earth.
I make no apologies for spanking my child. And if that makes my child damaged, then I think I, as well as my whole generation is damaged goods, because I too grew up under the belt..




Whew!
Talk about liberal thinking.....[/quote]

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AMEN to that...

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My question is Lady Sizzla... how do you know since you have never raised a child?

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No Serena gets whipped when she does not comply with rules... period...

If she acts up in school and I get a note from the teacher... she gets a whipping...

If she refuses to pick up her toys and her room... she gets a whipping...

Children need discipline

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it has nothing to do with my "frustration" and everything to do with her behavior

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No, Not at all....But the vast majority of kids brought up undeer the best are usuall FAR MORE respectful and disciplined as compared to thsoe who grew up under "Time Out".
THAT IS MY OPINION.[/quote]

I worked in a prison for teenagers. Virtually every child there was physically, mentally, sexually, emotionally abused. Very rarely did we have a child who came from a loving non-violent family. Thats my evidence.

All respect to you 1stP for overcoming doing something wrong. Im sure your kids will reap the rewards in later life.

And on a last note....unless Alex inflames me again .... im humble enough not to take it as a personal attack on my ego if a child disrespects me. i dont demand or expect respect from children just cos ive lived longer.

Yes in fact I do. Your detailed description of the correct way to abuse a child makes my blood run cold. I have worked with some very damaged kids as a result of this kind of 'correction'. Quite frankly whats worse about your words is that there is not a shred of remorse. I guess you simply believe you are right and that really makes me sad.[/quote]

My child, my way... period on that one too

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My child, my way... period on that one too[/quote]

so children are possessions to be owned and done with as we please. that sounds like slavery. good luck to your child.

I relate to this 100%....this too has been my experience with the majority of people that I have worked with since 1985 in Childrens Homes, Youth Offending, Adult Probation, Subsatnce Misuse agencies and Sadly Child abuse and molestation cases (Both victims and perpatrators)

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My child is a beautiful, respectful, intelligent young lady...

HOW DARE YOU presume to know anything about me and my child...

You need to STEP OFF...

I am constantly getting compliments on how well behaved and polite my child is... and it is because she lives a disciplined life...

I'm like Alex... if my child EVER cussed me or slapped me in public like I have seen MANY children do (and their parents just laugh it off)... I would snatch her up and whip her till she couldn't sit down...

MY daughter on the other hand will look at me and say "Momma, where ARE that child's parents?"....

People need to "raise" their kids and be parents not "a friend"... when they reach a certain age... THEN you can be their friend... but when they are little... they learn by what you allow them to get away with.

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