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Old 08-03-2006, 01:14 PM
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Re: Preference VS. Prejudice

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Ohhhh... I have it...

There is a girl here that wears.... jeesh... these clothes and well she just looks like TRASH...

So me thinking she looks like trash even though I have barely spoken to her is being prejudice right?
no..if she looks like trash then she looks like trash..In your opinion...

if u presume she IS trash without speaking to her then that would be prejudice.
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Old 08-03-2006, 01:16 PM
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Re: Preference VS. Prejudice

I'm confrused...

I guess I don't have ANY prejudice after all...

I am definitely having a preference for D most days...

That pic of you in your avatar place is just...

Well gosh D you are just beautiful hunny....

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Old 08-03-2006, 01:18 PM
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Goodnight guys... and gals...

I am looking forward to everyones opinions on this thread...

I think it was a good topic...

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Re: Preference VS. Prejudice

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and u ar absulutly right and correct...it is prejudging u.. stated from the begining that i admit to haveing some predjudiced thought and ideas...some might dissagree. but without malice..i was just being honest bout what i thought..and i dint apologize for my words but did apologise for offending u cuz i didnt intend to do so.

which is the last time i will apologise.

still got luv and respect for u urban......

instead of outrage behind the comment i would have loved for you to explain to me why my thinking was incorrect....instead od accusingme ao being a rasist. i could have been schooled to the wiser.

and windy im not going taint yor thread...thats my last comment here..back on topic
Babyloc, this might be a little off topic, but I'm gonna bend it and answer you right here just so we're straight.

I never stopped respecting you and the love goes both ways. The "apology" you gave did offend me because if you say "i'm sorry, but I stand by what I said" then there really is no apology at all.

If you make a decision about what someone thinks before you know what they think that is prejudice. If that prejudice is based on race, I call that racism. If you meet 50 mexicans then say "All mexicans are lazy" that's racism. Saying "all white people think _______" is the same, and that is just as offensive.

But although I'm hurt by your words, I don't hold malice towards you. Just like some guy in a white hood that knows no better, it's the deeds and speech, not the person. I didn't call you a racist, only what you said.
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Babyloc, this might be a little off topic, but I'm gonna bend it and answer you right here just so we're straight.

I never stopped respecting you and the love goes both ways. The "apology" you gave did offend me because if you say "i'm sorry, but I stand by what I said" then there really is no apology at all.

If you make a decision about what someone thinks before you know what they think that is prejudice. If that prejudice is based on race, I call that racism. If you meet 50 mexicans then say "All mexicans are lazy" that's racism. Saying "all white people think _______" is the same, and that is just as offensive.

But although I'm hurt by your words, I don't hold malice towards you. Just like some guy in a white hood that knows no better, it's the deeds and speech, not the person. I didn't call you a racist, only what you said.
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got u and repect your opinion. but i can only apologise for hurting u cuz my staement are waht i feel. and think
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I'm confrused...

I guess I don't have ANY prejudice after all...

I am definitely having a preference for D most days...

That pic of you in your avatar place is just...

Well gosh D you are just beautiful hunny....

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Windy now I prefer you stay away from my man!!
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got u and repect your opinion. but i can only apologise for hurting u cuz my staement are waht i feel. and think
I'm sure they're based on your own experiences. I feel sorry for you and hope that one day you'll meed enough people who will change your mind about us. Until then, we'll just agree to disagree.
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Old 08-03-2006, 01:55 PM
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Re: Preference VS. Prejudice

OK,

I actually considered ignoring this topic....but...I think it's pretty hard.

Yesterday...my dog looked at me with a sad face.....

Was my dog really sad? Or was I attempting to take emotions that I am familiar with and then use them to describe what my dog was doing.

My point is that you can't take a couple of words from the dictionary and use them to describe people or their actions.

We are ALL a product of our extremely unique and extremely limited environments.

So back to my dog....more people in this world consider it OK to eat my dog than not. I think that someone who eats a dog is disgusting and sick. People who eat dogs might think a bit differently.

I think the mistake we make is attempting to fit people into a label...racist, prejudice, color blind etc.

Face it folks..we're all a bit racist, and we're all a bit prejudice and we're all somewhat color blind. It all depends on the exact circumstances.

Example...I'm walking down the street with my white female co-worker. We're cool...we hang out after work, have drinks....we consider each other friends. Young black male approaches with his pants hanging down and looking kinda rough...she moves her purse to the other side.

I notice this.......do I then say she is prejudiced? Racist? Or responding to her environment? If I asked her...She would insist she is color-blind and has love for everyone. I would agree...she is sensitive, as many people are to what's considered threatening. It's what keeps us alive...the ability to ASSESS a situation and make instant decisions. That assessment is based purely on environment.

If my co-worker grew up in Harlem she probably would assess him differently. If she had been mugged once by someone who looked like him...again...different assessment.

My guess is if Windy was working in Nigeria...it would be hard to describe why she liked black men, but didn't trust Nigerians. Especially since most of the Black Jamaicans can trace their roots to Nigeria.

You can not live in absolutes. There is no such thing as a true racist...I also don't think that there is such a thing as a true "color-blind" person either.

We all have different assessments of people based on our experiences. As much as I hate people who insist on generalizing and assuming things about others, I also can't stand people who act as if they are immune to the same environmentally driven preferences/prejudices etc that I have to live with every day.
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Re: Preference VS. Prejudice

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OK,

I actually considered ignoring this topic....but...I think it's pretty hard.

Yesterday...my dog looked at me with a sad face.....

Was my dog really sad? Or was I attempting to take emotions that I am familiar with and then use them to describe what my dog was doing.

My point is that you can't take a couple of words from the dictionary and use them to describe people or their actions.

We are ALL a product of our extremely unique and extremely limited environments.

So back to my dog....more people in this world consider it OK to eat my dog than not. I think that someone who eats a dog is disgusting and sick. People who eat dogs might think a bit differently.

I think the mistake we make is attempting to fit people into a label...racist, prejudice, color blind etc.

Face it folks..we're all a bit racist, and we're all a bit prejudice and we're all somewhat color blind. It all depends on the exact circumstances.

Example...I'm walking down the street with my white female co-worker. We're cool...we hang out after work, have drinks....we consider each other friends. Young black male approaches with his pants hanging down and looking kinda rough...she moves her purse to the other side.

I notice this.......do I then say she is prejudiced? Racist? Or responding to her environment? If I asked her...She would insist she is color-blind and has love for everyone. I would agree...she is sensitive, as many people are to what's considered threatening. It's what keeps us alive...the ability to ASSESS a situation and make instant decisions. That assessment is based purely on environment.

If my co-worker grew up in Harlem she probably would assess him differently. If she had been mugged once by someone who looked like him...again...different assessment.

My guess is if Windy was working in Nigeria...it would be hard to describe why she liked black men, but didn't trust Nigerians. Especially since most of the Black Jamaicans can trace their roots to Nigeria.

You can not live in absolutes. There is no such thing as a true racist...I also don't think that there is such a thing as a true "color-blind" person either.

We all have different assessments of people based on our experiences. As much as I hate people who insist on generalizing and assuming things about others, I also can't stand people who act as if they are immune to the same environmentally driven preferences/prejudices etc that I have to live with every day.
This is whithout a doubt the most truthfull thing i have read on this forum on since i have been here.

much appreciation.

and i thought u were just a party boy...thanks for education me to the fact taht there is soooo much more.
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i think VT is now the smartest person on here, for me
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I am often confused with a Smart Person...typically it takes 10 mins for people to realize their mistake!
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Re: Preference VS. Prejudice

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OK,

I actually considered ignoring this topic....but...I think it's pretty hard.

Yesterday...my dog looked at me with a sad face.....

Was my dog really sad? Or was I attempting to take emotions that I am familiar with and then use them to describe what my dog was doing.

My point is that you can't take a couple of words from the dictionary and use them to describe people or their actions.

We are ALL a product of our extremely unique and extremely limited environments.

So back to my dog....more people in this world consider it OK to eat my dog than not. I think that someone who eats a dog is disgusting and sick. People who eat dogs might think a bit differently.

I think the mistake we make is attempting to fit people into a label...racist, prejudice, color blind etc.

Face it folks..we're all a bit racist, and we're all a bit prejudice and we're all somewhat color blind. It all depends on the exact circumstances.

Example...I'm walking down the street with my white female co-worker. We're cool...we hang out after work, have drinks....we consider each other friends. Young black male approaches with his pants hanging down and looking kinda rough...she moves her purse to the other side.

I notice this.......do I then say she is prejudiced? Racist? Or responding to her environment? If I asked her...She would insist she is color-blind and has love for everyone. I would agree...she is sensitive, as many people are to what's considered threatening. It's what keeps us alive...the ability to ASSESS a situation and make instant decisions. That assessment is based purely on environment.

If my co-worker grew up in Harlem she probably would assess him differently. If she had been mugged once by someone who looked like him...again...different assessment.

My guess is if Windy was working in Nigeria...it would be hard to describe why she liked black men, but didn't trust Nigerians. Especially since most of the Black Jamaicans can trace their roots to Nigeria.

You can not live in absolutes. There is no such thing as a true racist...I also don't think that there is such a thing as a true "color-blind" person either.

We all have different assessments of people based on our experiences. As much as I hate people who insist on generalizing and assuming things about others, I also can't stand people who act as if they are immune to the same environmentally driven preferences/prejudices etc that I have to live with every day.
Yes V&T I think this is a very sane observation. Like you said, none of us are immune to prejudice...nobody. And our environment and experience is what helps form our attitude. All we can do is try our hardest to think twice whenever we say or do anything.

There can never be a colour-blind person, as you said, but it sure would be nice if people held that as a goal. Even if that goal is unattainable, at lease we would ALL be moving in the right direction.
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I am often confused with a Smart Person...typically it takes 10 mins for people to realize their mistake!
LMAO...okay, i wasn't joking and its been over 10 mins...VT gave the best comment in this thread...is that fine/better?
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You are very wise today, V. I have learned from you.
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Yes V&T I think this is a very sane observation. Like you said, none of us are immune to prejudice...nobody. And our environment and experience is what helps form our attitude. All we can do is try our hardest to think twice whenever we say or do anything.

There can never be a colour-blind person, as you said, but it sure would be nice if people held that as a goal. Even if that goal is unattainable, at lease we would ALL be moving in the right direction.
Hey in 1000 years there won't be any color...so then we will strive to be religion-blind, and class-blind and height-blind and weight-blind and hairstyle-blind and diet-blind and clothes-blind and music-blind and smell-blind and accent-blind and mac or PC-blind...

I think you get my point...there are way many more factors that impact how we deal with people than color. We distill it down to color cause it's convenient. The reality is that we are all prejudiced about something. It's how we control our prejudice or let our prejudices control us. Let's all admit that we have prejudice....it's no sin...it's how we're built. I can't add extra eyes and ears...and I can't get rid of my prejudice. But I can recognize that I am prejudiced and make an extra effort to seek out those with different opinions, different backgrounds, different anything....All I can do is expand my environment and my experiences and develop some new prejudices which might be better than my old ones.
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