Why Are Jamaicans Racist Towards Blacks? - Page 2 - Jamaica Talk

Alex4Ja · #16 (**permalink**) 10-19-2008, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Jelakins

Lawd it sooooo long....makes me think Alex posted it!!!

Oh well - imma try reading it objectively before I comment further...

Lang or short, from the minnit yu view the key note, yu shudda rewalize dat nat even Alex wudda rite dat.

Jelakins · #17 (**permalink**) 10-19-2008, 06:14 PM

No quantifiable statements in the whole of that post
Many references to peoples of East Indian extraction which begs a question
OP is a troll
Ignoring him is really the best option...
ETJ will remain a happy multicultural and equal site...
OP lost
Moving on....

LadySizzla · #18 (**permalink**) 10-19-2008, 06:14 PM

Okay 'James' speak up instead of posting extracts. Whats your opinion, whats your experience and why choose to share with us on this site?

Jelakins · #19 (**permalink**) 10-19-2008, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by James_Walker

Actually, there is a considerable amount of evidence pointing to institutionalized racial discrimination against black people in Jamaica. Just read this article in the Jamaica Gleaner (and incidentally written by a Jamaican) about how Jamaicans mistreat people of African descent:

We Jamaicans have a special affinity for Africa and things African, and rightly so; for the vast majority of us have deep African roots. But it is also true that we hate ourselves and our African-ness, our black-ness, such that we seek to bleach it out and straighten it out, and 'plastic surgery' it out. More on that anon.

One of the ways we show our hatred for Africa and things African is how we treat native Africans on our soil. Even in the Church! I want to share with youthe case of an African woman, Jainaba Drammeh from the Gambia, brought to my attention by someone commenting on last week's column.

Ms. Drammeh, who was doing a [COLOR=orange! important][COLOR=orange! important]Master's [COLOR=orange! important]degree[/color][/color][/color] in Cuba, came to [COLOR=orange! important][COLOR=orange! important]Jamaica[/color][/color] in November 2006 to visit a Jamaican friend from Clarendon she had met in Cuba; so we have to define her as a tourist. On entry into Jamaica at the Norman Manley International Airport, Ms. Drammeh was given permission to stay in Jamaica until November 29, 2006.

On November 19, 2006 she left Jamaica to return to Cuba through Nassau, [COLOR=orange! important][COLOR=orange! important]Bahamas[/color][/color]. For some reason the immigration authorities in [COLOR=orange! important][COLOR=orange! important]Nassau[/color][/color] refused her entry and returned her on November 20 to Jamaica. Upon arrival in Jamaica, she was refused entry, despite the previous permission to remain in Jamaica until November 29, 2006. She was held against her will at the airport for three days and then taken to the Horizon Remand Centre where she was locked up for five months. Ms. Drammeh was never informed of the reason for her incarceration, never taken before any court, never provided with the services of counsel, never allowed to contact her university in Cuba or her family in the Gambia. She was not assisted in any way to contact her Clarendon friend to tell her of her plight, even though the immigration authorities knew she had recently stayed there. She was unlawfully held during a period when she had permission to stay in Jamaica, and unlawfully incarcerated thereafter without recourse to any court or any legal advice.

Ms. Drammeh tried to smuggle a note with her friend's phone number out of Horizon, for someone to call her, but it was always found. It was only on May 1, 2007 that one of the immigration officers called her Clarendon friend inquiring if she could provide U.S. dollars for Ms. Drammeh on her journey home to the Gambia. The Clarendon lady was shocked that her friend and guest had been returned to Jamaica and was being held by the authorities for so long without her knowledge; on May 4, 2007 Ms. Drammeh was released into the custody of her Clarendon friend.

Repatriation time

Ms. Drammeh was only repatriated to her homeland this week. She came as a tourist, to visit her Jamaican friend, and always had the means to leave if given the opportunity. Would we treat a white tourist this way? As a result of her incarceration in Jamaica, Ms. Drammeh has lost the chance to continue her studies in Cuba.

Her family is not without influence in the Gambia, and no doubt she will tell everyone how we treat African tourists in this country. I can't blame her.

I am advised that during her time in the Horizon Remand Centre, a white European woman was brought in, but only stayed for a few hours.

We cannot as a country with international obligations, treat people - black or white - in this callous, immoral and illegal manner. Each person in these circumstances must be informed of the reason for his or her detention, advised of their entitlement to legal advice and released or repatriated within a reasonable time. These are the basic rights that everyone is entitled to.

The immigration officers responsible for mistreating this tourist should be held accountable, otherwise it will happen again.
Yes, we have this love/hate relationship with ourselves, and we take it out on the native Africans we can get our hands on. And on Haitians too, if the truth be told; there are lots of black Haitian women at the Horizon Remand Centre right now! In this year when we celebrate the bicentenary of the abolition of the Atlantic slave trade, some of us Jamaicans don't like people who are too black. And we don't care!

Here is a link to the article: Jamaica Gleaner News - Lovers of Africa? - Wednesday | May 23, 2007

JAMCAN LOST THE BET!!!!!

JamCan · #20 (**permalink**) 10-19-2008, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by LadySizzla

Okay 'James' speak up instead of posting extracts. Whats your opinion, whats your experience and why choose to share with us on this site?

This is exactly what I was about to say. Maybe James should speak instead of copying and pasting.

JamCan · #21 (**permalink**) 10-19-2008, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Jelakins

JAMCAN LOST THE BET!!!!!

What????

LadySizzla · #22 (**permalink**) 10-19-2008, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by JamCan

What????

More importantly, I want an avatar like yours but with a Gb flag on. Where can I find one?

Jelakins · #23 (**permalink**) 10-19-2008, 06:18 PM

As they say in Avenue Q - Everyone's a little bit Racist

JamCan · #24 (**permalink**) 10-19-2008, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by LadySizzla

More importantly, I want an avatar like yours but with a Gb flag on. Where can I find one?

A really old mod found this one for me. So I dunno where to get one!

And I still wanna know what bet I lost?

LadySizzla · #25 (**permalink**) 10-19-2008, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by JamCan

A really old mod found this one for me. So I dunno where to get one!

And I still wanna know what bet I lost?

You bet that he wouldnt post again in this thread. he did!

JamCan · #26 (**permalink**) 10-19-2008, 06:21 PM

OHHHH LOL.

Well who cares....as long as I didn't lose my niceness challenge.

Jelakins · #27 (**permalink**) 10-19-2008, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by JamCan

What????

He came back

James_Walker · #28 (**permalink**) 10-19-2008, 06:27 PM

More evidence that Jamaicans are anti-black racist bigots who mistreat and discriminate against black people. Yes, there is quantifiable evidence that the majority of Jamaicans despise blacks as racial inferiors, and much of it has been written about by Jamaicans themselves. Just read:

AS JAMES Byrd was travelling alone down that old road in a small town in Texas, I am certain that he did not see it coming. Minutes later, while he watched as pieces of his black body ripped off into tiny chunks of red on the asphalt he must have wished that he had. When the will to fight the oppression found in society wanes I tell myself the tale of this man strapped to the back of a truck and dragged for miles to remind myself that racism by itself can kill.

But that was in the United States of America, where blacks make up an insignificant 12 per cent of the population. Here, in Jamaica, the land I longed to return to since my steps on the soil of Macalester College, things were different. We were not racist. How could we be? Our Prime Minister was Black, our most famous musical artistes were Black, the police are mostly Black. We certainly could not have the same problems as the racist United States of America.

Last night however, I watched the Miss Universe 2004 competition, I sat back in awe at the outstanding whiteness of the woman Jamaica had chosen to represent us. Nothing is wrong with that. She appeared to be a very intelligent and attractive young woman. However, the tendency of a country filled with Blacks from the ghettos to the Parliament to produce representatives that were always closer to the White side of the spectrum,
bothered me.

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This bothered state continued as I remembered the Sunshine Snacks advertisement that hung over Waterloo Road. Six children. No Blacks, just Browns. Then the Macdonald's billboard close to the foot of Beverly Hills. Four people, just one Black. Memories of my own life rushed back to me, of girls who were teased simply for being very dark, of who the most sought-after girls and boys were in school, and the disturbing habit that many of them had of being Brown. Who are these Browns? This varies from person to person, from day to day. I like to think of them as anyone who is clearly part Black and part something else, be it Chinese, Indian, White or whatever race you want to dream up.

To make it easier for yourself, simply think of all the people you know of who have darker skin than you do. Ask yourself, are they richer or poorer than you are? Now ask the same question using all the people you know of with lighter skin than you have. Then try the two questions using the quality 'good-looking', and if you are still in high-school, try popular.

How many beggars, windshield-wipers, and 'madmen' can you think of with light brown skin? How many very dark doctors, lawyers or Miss Jamaicas can you think of? If your life is anything like mine, you might also start to hear the voice of Trevor David Rhone's Miss Agatha (from Old Story Time) singing in the streets. She tells us to keep away from "Black Sambo" and urges us toward Miss Margaret, because she has tall hair and light brown skin, and she is 'advancement'.
But who cares? Why should it matter in Jamaica if light skin is mysteriously correlated with money, power, and perceived good looks? It matters because it points to the racism that sadly exists in our own country. What we see is just the tip of the iceberg, and the situation extends to include how we Jamaicans are treated in restaurants, airports, on the road, and in the police station. Racism, even seemingly subtle and harmless racism, when left unchecked, can be very, very dangerous. If Jamaica ignores her racism, like James Byrd, one day she may not know what hit her.

Links to the article: Jamaica Gleaner - Racism in Jamaica - Saturday | June 12, 2004

JamCan · #29 (**permalink**) 10-19-2008, 06:27 PM

LOL guess James can't read or write. Only copy/paste.

James_Walker · #30 (**permalink**) 10-19-2008, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by LadySizzla

Okay 'James' speak up instead of posting extracts. Whats your opinion, whats your experience and why choose to share with us on this site?

I am not posting extracts, but simply trying to provide substantiation (of which there is a lot) to my claim that Jamaica is a racist, anti-black society that routinely discriminates against black people. I too have witnessed, with my own eyes, Jamaicans actively spreading racial hatred against people of African descent and East Indian heritage, while bigging up Caucasian people at the same time. I only wish to spread awareness by letting the entire African diaspora know that Jamaicans treat both local blacks and international black visitors like worthless garbage.

By way of conclusion, I have travelled throughout the Caribbean and have spent a number of years in Jamaica and other West Indian islands. Many of the comments I have heard Jamaicans make about black people and African culture were sick and disgusting. The bizarreness, even weirdness, of many of the opinions that Jamaicans harbour towards black people seemed to suggest a pathological Negrophobia that is deeply rooted in contemporary Jamaican society. On a daily basis, I heard Jamaicans making such remarks as:

“I think black people should have remained in slavery. Black people should be controlled by white slavemasters.”
“All African people are nothing but battymon who practice battyism and love to frig man dem batty.”
“I think Adolf Hitler was the greatest man to have ever lived. Hitler is my hero. I wish I could live in Nazi Germany.”
“I only keep white friends because black people are nothing but garbage.”
If anyone believes that this is far-fetched and still wishes to persist in the delusion that Jamaicans love and respect black people, they should examine this blog by a Jamaican woman from St. Elizabeth:
God Bless the Whites
This Jamaican woman apparently believes that all black people are nothing but ruthless savages who belong in the jungle, swinging from trees with Tarzan and the apes, and that all whites are somehow good Christians and genteel civilizers.
It should be obvious that Jamaica really is a nation of Uncle Toms and Aunt Jemimas; in addition, the vast majority of Jamaicans are white supremacist neo-Nazis and racist bigots whose sole purpose in life is to spread hatred against innocent blacks.