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Re: Racism - An illness or a Way of life?
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I do disagree with this Alex....School is supposed to prepare young people for life and I personaly think a teacher would be irresponsible if they did not challenge behaviour that is oppressive......
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How do you deem a father's indoctrination of White separatism/racism to his child as being "oppressive"?
In the manner that HT described, the father was instilling mistrust for Blacks into the mind of his kid; whats oppressive about that?
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Re: Racism - An illness or a Way of life?
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Also....
How do you deem a father's indoctrination of White separatism/racism to his child as being "oppressive"?
In the manner that HT described, the father was instilling mistrust for Blacks into the mind of his kid; whats oppressive about that?
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Well Alex, if I were speculating on this....he could potetially use his "white privelege" to grow up and be in a position to oppress......I know you must see how this kind of teaching from a parent is harmful to not only the harmony in my school but in society as a whole.
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Re: Racism - An illness or a Way of life?
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Well Alex, if I were speculating on this....he could potetially use his "white privelege" to grow up and be in a position to oppress......I know you must see how this kind of teaching from a parent is harmful to not only the harmony in my school but in society as a whole.
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Oh, Absolutely!
Hence:
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"...letting him (the father) be aware that my class is an integrated class and as such it is necessary for kids of all color to interact.
I would then tell him that if my students are allowed to foster such perspective then it seriously impinges on my ability to teach my class in the way I see fit..."
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My objection was only in your method...not in the message.
Once again,,,You're the teacher. You have to deal with it everyday.
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05-24-2007, 03:20 PM
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Re: Racism - An illness or a Way of life?
I believe that racism is a demented state of mind that is NOT the result of ignorance, as we often say.
Many individuals who are well informed about the many lifestyles, attributes and culture are still as racist as when they didnt know.
I believe that racism is by choice.
I also dont believe that racism often always lead one to be oppressive. Its a hatefilled mental concept that lets the perpetrator dislike and hold contempt for another race.
It makes them feel different from the other race, but not necesarily better.
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Re: Racism - An illness or a Way of life?
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I believe that racism is a demented state of mind that is NOT the result of ignorance, as we often say.
Many individuals who are well informed about the many lifestyles, attributes and culture are still as racist as when they didnt know.
I believe that racism is by choice.
I also dont believe that racism often always lead one to be oppressive. Its a hatefilled mental concept that lets the perpetrator dislike and hold contempt for another race.
It makes them feel different from the other race, but not necesarily better.
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Then why is it that racists always say stupid stuff????
If it isn't ignorance?
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Re: Racism - An illness or a Way of life?
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Also....
How do you deem a father's indoctrination of White separatism/racism to his child as being "oppressive"?
In the manner that HT described, the father was instilling mistrust for Blacks into the mind of his kid; whats oppressive about that?
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Alex you are an intelligent man you either get what I'm saying or you dont and quite frankly if you don't get it then I have not the energy to argue about word definitions........if racism is not oppressive to you, it is to me......and maybe I am alittle thick today but had Hotteach used a different example according to your stance you would not challenge it either as the child should honour his Father and apparently ANYTHING taught by him at home........so what exactly is your point 
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I believe in "Honoring thy Father" and as such I dont think that its my place to teach my (in class) kids to foster any thoughts/principle that is independent of what is being taugh at home.
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Re: Racism - An illness or a Way of life?
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Alex you are an intelligent man you either get what I'm saying or you dont and quite frankly if you don't get it then I have not the energy to argue about word definitions........if racism is not oppressive to you, it is to me......and maybe I am alittle thick today but had Hotteach used a different example according to your stance you would not challenge it either as the child should honour his Father and apparently ANYTHING taught by him at home........so what exactly is your point 
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Rest yu body sis.
My point is....
Racism by it singular nature has NOTHING to do with oppression.
There are/were many Blacks who were as racist or more than the Whites.
Oppression in racism comes about when the ruling class based on their racial stance decides to keep down the other race because they want to suppress their rights, oportunities and privileges.
If you study the root cause of oppression is racism you will see that its borne out of fear. Fear that the other color will be as capable and of equal standing as them, the oppressors.
Oppression is simply one tool used in racism by the stronger or ruling class.
It is equally utilized in any situation where one party wishes to dominate another. Be it in a domestic , religious, political or social environment.
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Re: Racism - An illness or a Way of life?
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Alex you are an intelligent man you either get what I'm saying or you dont and quite frankly if you don't get it then I have not the energy to argue about word definitions........if racism is not oppressive to you, it is to me......and maybe I am alittle thick today but had Hotteach used a different example according to your stance you would not challenge it either as the child should honour his Father and apparently ANYTHING taught by him at home........so what exactly is your point 
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When you finish dancing around the point maybe you will address it???
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Re: Racism - An illness or a Way of life?
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Then why is it that racists always say stupid stuff????
If it isn't ignorance?
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Racist say "stupid stuff' because they hate the other race so much that they will say anything, logocal or illogical, that fuels the fire of their hatred.
Ignorance is another element of racism BUT it is NOT the root cause.
If so, why are there so many educated psychologist, psychiatrist, politicians, doctors, lawyers, and social scientist who are racist?
Who on earth understand more about humanities than these people?
Of course MANY racist views ARE based on ignorance; but thats NOT what breeds racism.
There are many things in life that we are ignorant to and yet we do not maintain a negative and prejudicial attitude towards them.
Like a warm swamp bed, racism breeds readily in the soil of ignorance, but its not the cause.
Racism is borne out of a refusal to accept that another race is as good or better than their own. This fuels contempt that eventually leads to hatred. This hatred causes them to not want to be associated with the other color.
This racist individual/group will then do whatever it takes to disrupt, destroy, or otherwise offset the other color's effort to strive on equal grounds.
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Re: Racism - An illness or a Way of life?
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When you finish dancing around the point maybe you will address it???
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Well since my sluggish two-step is causing me to be out of sync and as such am stepping on your toes, let me highlight:
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I would tell the child that maybe her father has reasons for believing that. That I dont agree with her fathers opinion because i think that people of all color are the same; but if that is a direct instruction from her father then she should have her father explain his reason to her.
I would then ask to see the father in school.
When he shows up I would have a discussion with him (and possibly the principal) letting him be awawre that my class is aan integrated class and as such it is necessary for kids of all color to interact.
I would then tell him that if my students are allowed to foster such perspective then it seriously impinges on my ability to teach m class in the way I see fit.
I believe in "Honoring thy Father" and as such I dont think that its my place to teach my (in class) kids to foster any thoughts/principle that is independent of what is being taugh at home.
But never mind me...I am not a teacher of adolescents so I dont know.
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I am sure some of your play mates will come keep you company soon!
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Re: Racism - An illness or a Way of life?
Racism is not a crime neither can it be deemed immoral.
Why then does anyone think that they have the right to intervene in the upbringing of somone elses child?
How can any teacher quantify that racism is damaging to a child?
WE believe that it is wrong, by virtue of our own opinions.
But thats all it is...our OPINIONS.
The next thing I will hear is that a teacher has the right to tell a child of an atheist (in class) that Jesus christ is the Son of God and that their Parents are wrong.
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Re: Racism - An illness or a Way of life?
Watch the door! 
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Re: Racism - An illness or a Way of life?
MY OWN THOUGHTS.....
Often times we get so caught up in our own way of looking at things that we find it difficult to appreciate, contemplate or even consider others point of view.
For those of us who do, we are often rediculed as inconsistent, flip-flopping, fence sitters who haggle in meta-semantics.
Playing devils advocate does not in any way connotate deceptive or otherwise negative intent. Its intended purpose is usually to provide a skeptical view of a subject matter so as to encourage further review, discussion and or analysis.
Objective reasoning requires not only the ability to lay things out and to strongly highlight points that we so passionately want to uphold, but it also involves the ability to discuss and review subject matters maturely without emotional frustration, mental distortion and personal biases.
If we do not have the time, inclination nor the capacity to reason objectively, then we should so rightfully whip up our rotors and chart a course.
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