but the fact that you can even say these things windy is the exact reason that i get sooo upset with the white race cuz it seems like you truly live in a diferent world and ou really dont get it........really dont get it......

1. Black schools were instutituted because they COULNT GET INTO ANY OTHER SCHOOLS...it was founded and buit by black ppl for black ppl....(but no one is EXCLUDED).....and ther are all white schools...they are called "ivy leageu"..LOLOL just kidding (not really)

2.If black ppl didnt have their own tv shows, then all we would see is white ppl...we would never see black ppl..and not only that...ther is white humor and black humor...things we find funny you may not and vice versa...and its good to look in tv and identify with yourself...( and please dont act like its not a big deal...cuz if it wasnt..then it woudnt have been such an uproar when black ppl started winning the academy award..JUST RECENTLY)..

i could go on and on...i dont think things should be separtated, but you have to realise with certain instiutuons, black ppl try to build a LEGACY out of nothing to start with. ...

and WINDY....just cuz something does not state specifically "all white" it sometimes is..and you would really have to BE black to know and understand this...but belive me im telling you TRUTH!!!!

ps...it wasnt that long ago that my very own father was sprayed by hosees by plice during the 1968 riots on H street in washington dc...(NOT THAT LONG AGO)....so wounds are healing, but please dont make us feel bad for the scar those wonds left.

just equality...honey..all the way around...and im not talking civil rights....

HOPING THAT WE KEEP THIS AS A MATURE CONVERSATION...

Sorry Hon, But I cant agree with you there.

Racism started when the Whites felt that Blacks were not equal to them and as such was only worthy to be enslaved and forced to work in the cotton fields and cane fields.

If that wasn't so, why did they not enslave their own europeans; rtaher than to travel all the way to Africa to get plantation "employees"?

If Blacks only wanted "their own evertything" then they would have been satisfied with segregation.

Shucks!
The Whites-Only restaurant, bathrooms and water fountains would have been quite fine to the Black man...Just as long as he has his own.

Naw...You are wrong about that one, hon.

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Originally Posted by windypace Yes, white people started it... but... that was many many years ago... and now... we should have all evolved past it... that is all I am saying.

I respect your point...But if it is believed that the " white people started it... " and it is still being done, then you can't blame the Blacks for STILL feeling that way, can you?

I mean...Tell me Windy..Can you or any other White person say with a straight face that the Ku Klux Klan is dead?

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I guess it is hard for me... because I have always felt most at home with my black brothers and sisters...

I do prefer "black humor" as you put it... while my mother thinks it is funny... she will then make a comment like...
"Yeah... they can make fun of themselves but you let us do it and its a law suit."...

And I roll my eyes and say... Mom... they are us... we are them... there is no difference... and to me... there really isn't...

but I can understand your feelings whether you believe me or not... I've done a lot of research... but that doesn't mean I can't wish for better... wish the world a better place for our children... and try not to instill in my child and grandchildren the hatred and fear that should not be there to begin with.

I'm saying... instead of revisiting old wounds on our own children... maybe we should work to help the next generation make things better... instead of continuing the issues...

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Now that one I can answer. The KKK is alive and well in Missouri, or so I hear. We have this highway clean up program and people or organizations can adopt parts of the interstates and make it their duty to keep it clean of debris and litter. The KKK caused such an uproar here and when they tried to clean that first day, they had potshots taken at them. Since then, they are back underground again.

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What I meant on your first point was... they fought for equality and then and now they fight for supremacy... equality... should have been enough.

and No the KKK is not dead... but that doesn't mean that I personally don't wish it wasn't.

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[quote=windypace;387686]I guess it is hard for me... because I have always felt most at home with my black brothers and sisters...

I do prefer "black humor" as you put it... while my mother thinks it is funny... she will then make a comment like...
"Yeah... they can make fun of themselves but you let us do it and its a law suit."...

And I roll my eyes and say... Mom... they are us... we are them... there is no difference... and to me... there really isn't...

but I can understand your feelings whether you believe me or not... I've done a lot of research... but that doesn't mean I can't wish for better... wish the world a better place for our children... and try not to instill in my child and grandchildren the hatred and fear that should not be there to begin with.

I'm saying... instead of revisiting old wounds on our own children... maybe we should work to help the next generation make things better... instead of continuing the issues...[/QUOTE]

The question is always how?

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You only get one trip

your mothers comments and attitude is VERY average to me ....for what i have seen.....you like to say that some black ladies on here juealouos of jomos girl.....NOT!!!...but maybe a little envious...you see, envious for the america you and she live in cuz its not the america i and a lot of black ppl live in...( i want to live in that place you live and i want to see the beiauty).....i too think for the future and hope for a different wourld for my kids...only difference is i have to build and teach my children to maitinan a suit of armor...to protect themselves against this world that hates them cuz they have shiny little balck faces.....im happy your child wont have to go thru what i know mine will so i have to prepare them...maybe one day it will be different...HOPEFULLY...we can all hope.

?????who fought for equality and now wants supremecy???? im confused.

[quote=Jomo's girl;387689]by not revisiting our own hurts and issues on them... a child will react and learn from what they hear and see from their parents every day.

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Reallly??????
When??
Where???

Windy,I genuinely believe that you mean well and your intentions are honorable, but your very words are betraying those same good intentions.

Maybe I am unaware but, would you mind indicating one instance whereBlacks are fighting for supremacy in the United States?

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And just as you feel like you should teach your children to build walls... I feel I should teach mine to not have those walls... to see people for people and NOT for the color of their skin... or physical deformity... and I am very proud of my daughter... she has learned well from me...

There is a little boy in her class that has a cleft lip and she is the only one that will play with him... and her best friend... that calls my house every night is a little black girl from up the street... I am soooo proud of her... because she has learned to LOVE PEOPLE... no matter what the "look" like.

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Well being as I am trapped in the middle and see both sides...

I see that the majority of whites are wrong for their fear and judgement of the black people...

and...

I see that blacks are wrong for feeling the need to continue to have their own schools and shows...

because unfortunately... there ARE people like my mother... who will watch a really good black movie with me... then say... "See, if white people tried to have an all white movie the movie company would be sued for discrimination.. but it is fine for the black people to do it."

Small minded yes... but having those "black" institutions and schools and stuff is the very reason why a lot of those small minded ones still push their hate on people.

I tell my mom she is small minded all the time...

I say... ME... my opinion... DO AWAY WITH ALL "BLACK" AND "WHITE" INSTITUTIONS AND HAVE ONE UNITED FRONT!!!!!

But... it will never happen because both quarters refuse to give an inch...

and so the legacy of hate continues from generation to generation...

and it breaks my heart.

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[quote=windypace;387701]It's so much more then that windy. But, yes, I agree with you on this one.

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Once again, I respect your position.


But until you understand the issues faced by the Black Man (and Woman) EVERY DAY, you can never truly understand the Black mans side...

Blacks are not "fighting" for supremacy, Windy.
Neither are we fighting for equality in SOME respects...We want equality in ALL respects.

Not some token schools or Job opportunities to balance the "quota" and produce the appearance of equality.

Blacks want the right to drive down the road and NOT be pulled over because of the color of their skin.

To NOT be followed through a department store simply because you ARE Black.

To not ALWAYS use our color when describing us on the 6 O'Clock news.." ..And in other news, A Black man was arrested today after..."

Blacks want to be accpeted as another human being with the same rights and privileges as ANY OTHER color.

If we are naturally better at a particular sport, then reward us accordingly. If we aren't, then so be it. but dont accept or reject us based on our color.

Ironically, as bad as racism is, it has served to empower the Black man to be the best that he can be; and has such has become the catalyst which propelled many of us to prove our superiority in many areas of society.

Do that mean that we WANT or is fighting FOR superiority?
Absolutely not!
But if one is suppressed and made to feel inferior, certainly his reaction will propel him to strive to prove his superiority.

Though many Non-Whites sympathise with the Blackman's plight, it is extremly difficult or near impossible to truly understand.

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Well baby its maybe not realistic thinking but it is optomistic thinking on my part...I beleive as a a teacher I am somewhat of a role model for my students, and if they grow up and have me for a teacher racism will not be all they ever know, they will at least at some point in their likkle lives be exposed to something different, and if it changes noone, one child, or many at least I know I have been true to what i believe....I also have seen children who know that their parents racist ways are not right because of their own experiences and I try to let them know that its ok to think for themselves.....its one of the most important things a child can learn.

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