Originally Posted by bountyx

Good old fashion Christian principles give you the blueprint to minimizing your risk of contracting STDs or having unwanted pregnancies. There's no other measure that is as effective as abstinence until marriage, and faithfulness within marriage.

Originally Posted by LadySizzla

abstinence can cause as much problems as indulgence. just ask the the child victims of the catholic priests covered up by the catholic church.

Originally Posted by LadySizzla

but there IS a grey area between abstinence until marriage and having debauched unprotected sex, being riddled with STDs and breeding loads of unwanted kids. its doesnt have to be one extreme to another. sex is not a sin.

Originally Posted by bountyx

What does deviant sexual behaviour have to do with abstinence? If the priests were abstaining, they wouldn't be molesting little boys. Abstinence doesn't cause deviant sexual behaviour.



Either you are having sex within marriage, or you are not. There's no in between. If you are having sex outside of marriage, you are at greater risk than if you were keeping it within marriage, or not having it at all.

Sex isn't a sin - if it is held within the context God intended to be in ie. marriage. Outside of marriage, having sex is a sin.

Originally Posted by LadySizzla

it is good to see anyone sticking to their beliefs, so long as they dont condemn the beliefs of others. even if you disagree with someone you have to respect thats what is important to them. like HS said each to their own. i just get kinda tired of being cast (in other threads too) as some morally inept person cos i like sex and dont need to be in love to enjoy it. it seems to be a hard concept for some people to equate being sexually liberated with also having morals and principles.

Originally Posted by H.S.

i'm sure every person on this board enjoys sex, and none of us need to be in love to 'enjoy' it... but to TRULY enjoy the sensual, passionate, physical, and emotional aspects of sex is different (i'm sure every person can agree with me that the 'best' sexual experience they have had is when they've been 'in love')...yes we can all do it and enjoy it like rabbits... (i think) what some of us have been tryin to say here is that it is not responsible to do it this way, or can be a hindering factor in the long run.. one major point i've been tryin to get across is that people put too much focus on sex before marriage (usually at the beginning of the relationship), which causes their relationships to fall apart in the long run.. look at the statistics... in north america half of all marriages will end up in divorce (and that number is rising)... this 'free' thinking that people have has caused this world to become pretty much one big orgy.. if people put more importance to the REAL aspects of a relationship rather then the sexual aspect, marriages would last a lot longer, there would be less infidelity, a lot less divorces, a dramatic decrease in STDs, dramatic decrease in un-planned pregnancies... etc...

this whole 'being free' concept hasn't worked for the last few decades... we've actually fallen into the pits when it comes to relationships... hollywood and every other media puts all this cr@p into our heads which makes us think its okay to sleep around and all this nonsense... but just look at how much problems this has caused this world...

everybody has their opinion, thats fine... but the fact of the matter is, its always better to wait... at the end of the day, ur not really losing anything if u wait... but u have the potential of gaining a lot more... it comes down to doing what u feel and think is right... sometimes we have to look at every aspect of the situation and assess what is best for the long term..

i mean.. how many people on this board are single or divorced/separated? i would say probably more then half of the regular posters... and how many people on this board have said that they haven't had a strong spiritual, mental, or emotional connection with their partners?? a whole lot of them!!

anywayz... thats the end of my blab..

Blessed Love!

Originally Posted by LadySizzla

i believe abstaining from a natural biological act for religious reasons can often lead to guilt and personal torment, with personal morals conflicting with biological desires - resulting sometimes in secret deviant sexual behaviour.

Originally Posted by LadySizzla

there are so so many variables in the divorce statistics though. men and womens roles have changed dramatically over the years. divorces and break ups are more common now because they are available and people are no longer staying in unhappy marriages because they are frowned upon by the church or society. i think to put the failure of marriage down to lack of spiritual connection is way too simplistic.

Originally Posted by LadySizzla

my main point all along is that there is no strict rule on what comes first, the mental, emotional, spiritual or physical connection.

Originally Posted by LadySizzla

sometimes they just happen in a different order. the strength of a spiritual connection does not depend on abstinence.

Originally Posted by LadySizzla

there are so so many variables in the divorce statistics though. men and womens roles have changed dramatically over the years. divorces and break ups are more common now because they are available and people are no longer staying in unhappy marriages because they are frowned upon by the church or society. i think to put the failure of marriage down to lack of spiritual connection is way too simplistic. my main point all along is that there is no strict rule on what comes first, the mental, emotional, spiritual or physical connection. sometimes they just happen in a different order. the strength of a spiritual connection does not depend on abstinence.

Originally Posted by bountyx

Relationships fail because one or both partners lose focus on what is really important, or they never had the right focus to begin with (fail from the start). If the relationship is built on the right foundation, the partners would be better equipped to deal with the challenges that come along in life. Selfishness is at the core of most relationships today. People don't believe in unconditional love. So when things get rough, or they feel they are not getting what they want out of the relationship anymore, they break it up.

Originally Posted by H.S.

yes there are many variables in divorce statistics... but it pretty much is simplistic... study psychology and the functionality of human behaviour, human interaction, and human mentality... the main causes of divorce are finances, infidelity, and 'boredom'... a couple that are completely 'in tune' with eachother make all major decisions together and have a good understanding of eachother, which includes their spending habits... an 'in tune' couple are responsible enough to make sound financial decisions.. boredom: an 'in tune' couple would never get bored with eachother.. thats pretty self-explanitory... infidelity: if u study the major causes of infidelity its almost always something to do with not being 'satisfied' in one way or another... either sexually, mentally, or emotionally... when a couple begins their relationship with the sexual aspect, it becomes such an important part of the relationship that it takes precedent over the other aspects... and t becomes more of a focal point... lack of emotional and mental connection.. well thats self explanitory...

Originally Posted by H.S.;482997[COLOR=red

]^^ again.. nobody said NOT to enjoy sex.. i've stated in one of my previous posts that we all enjoy it... there's nothing wrong WITH sex... yes, sex is natural and emotional and passionate and sensual etc... but I would hope that u would want to do all that stuff with the person u are absolutely IN love with... not just someone u love.. or someone u lust... and have that person being IN love with you... u both bein IN TUNE with eachother... the person u spend the rest of ur life together with...[/color]

p.s. if u've studied psychology.. then u kno what i'm saying is right

p.p.s... thank you for ur best wishes ... the people that never find it MIGHT be looking in the wrong places or looking at the wrong type of people...

Originally Posted by LadySizzla

Originally Posted by LadySizzla

3. i love sex! i want sex! i love making love! i want to make love! i want porn- style-throw-me-round-the-room-type dutty sex! and God wants me too as well - he told me sex is natural, sex is beautiful, sex is emotional, sex is animalistic, sex is fun, sex is dutty. I LOVE SEX!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by LadySizzla

but until it the right person comes along i'll have to do it with someone else cos celibacy is killing me.

Originally Posted by bountyx

Sounds like selfishness has a lot to do with sex for you.